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the smoke radio for the masses of July 8

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1947 the Army Air Forces has announced

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that a flying disc has been found and is

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now in the possession of the army

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game is rigged change the game game

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changer I occasionally think how quickly

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our difference is worldwide would vanish

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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this is Fade to Black with your host

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Jimmy Church on the game changer Radio

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welcome Fade to Black today is Tuesday

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June 6th

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2023. I'm Yours Jimmy church and tonight

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are you ready wildlife biologist Pat

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Spain is with us tonight but tonight

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we're going to be talking about

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cryptozoology and all of the other crazy

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stuff he has done in his life we're

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going to cover all of that and we know

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uh cryptozoology you know it's one of

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the those things that we cover a lot on

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uh the show he's also a biotech expert

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of course he's got all of his TV shows

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he's been speaking around the world he's

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a cancer survivor and he has that

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passion for adventure uh the one

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constant in his life though is a passion

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for adventure it's education and it is

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entertainment we'll be doing all of that

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the Royal geographical Society in London

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he spoke at Nasa multiple International

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universities his latest Adventure TV

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series Legend Hunter is on the Travel

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Channel uh it aired back in 2019 with

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about 10 million viewers per week and I

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cannot wait to get this show started

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tonight now

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um everything for Pat and his full bio

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and everything of course over on our

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website got links and everything in

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social media and and you can go and

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check all of that out and I just want to

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get straight to it I'm very excited

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tonight we have Pat Pat stain with Pat

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Spain I almost said Pat smear I almost I

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almost did and that's your fault and you

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know what I'll take it

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[Laughter]

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oh man you know seriously Pat Smith one

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of the greatest names in all of music

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was of hat smear I just absolutely yeah

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no question about it welcome to the show

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Pat and um before we get started you get

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the First Time guest disclaimer so let's

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get that out of the way which is Pat

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it's just you and I tonight sitting on

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my couch having a conversation as

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friends and where it starts it starts

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and ends and ends but we're gonna end

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his friends there you go except you have

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to click

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no I was kidding see I got you I got it

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it's been a long day sorry I got patch

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man I got Pat's face

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um here is

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um where I'm gonna start and now I know

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that uh in a strange way this seems like

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it's out of your wheelhouse

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I connect the dots to everything all

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right so let's start here

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the news over the last 24 hours that is

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breaking around the world on all the

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media Outlets everywhere that you can

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see

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is that we have a government

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whistleblower Insider from the

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intelligence community

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that it has now announced that the

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United States has flying saucers and

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alien bodies now I just watched a few

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there the mainstream on on Fox News

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um and this is this is a big you know

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this is a big story

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alien bodies

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what would you do you know you're you're

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this is what you do the animal kingdom

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cryptozoology you're in search of this

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kind of stuff what would you do if if

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uh would you would you check that out

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and 100 yeah oh yeah yeah I'd be

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fascinated by it I mean I think the

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whole world would be fascinated by it

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it's uh you know it would change so much

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much that we could learn from them we

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intelligent life is like you know does

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does intelligent life always mean that

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you're going to be violent or does it

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think this is a question uh once we

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cross that Rubicon right we're not alone

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and they're they're visiting this planet

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closer to it than ever before but the

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universe is a big place and there's got

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to be a lot of Life out there right okay

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technically we're aliens too you know

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thinking about you know like was was did

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there's almost certainly life there so

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frozen surface layer but then underneath

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to see and amazing to study and uh yes

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intelligent very smart absolutely yeah

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cephalopods I mean squid squid can be

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food for such a short-lived animal to be

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strange and it's really unusual and they

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this octopus is living in this tank

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whatever I don't know if it's sardines

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and and was doing it when the biologist

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they're very smart yeah

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of The Twilight Zone they did an episode

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plays a marine biologist and uh they're

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studying super intelligent octopus that

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want to kill all the crew and everything

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um can we um uh okay

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let's stay here for just a a second

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further uh because now we're also going

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um music to all of this too as well but

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um it's all connected my friend right

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um what would you expect

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autopsy you you've got this species in

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um and let's say let's stay in a safe

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fingers right but a basic thing right

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humanoid right humanoid

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all right see I could have just said all

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of that and just said humanoid thank you

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thank you for that Pat but okay and and

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now you got scalpel and you've got your

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um what what would you expect to see on

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right right right so my wife took gross

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she she's done that stuff and uh I've

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invertebrates but I think once we get

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into anything humanoid I uh I'm out of

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my death yeah but would would you expect

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um a similar Anatomy on the inside as as

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the the great thing about Evolution and

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the possibility of life outside of Earth

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there there is no expectation

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based on the morphology you know of of

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humanoid shape you would think that

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there would probably be things that

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that might their brain be in the center

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of their body sure absolutely you know

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to breathe a different way to uh to

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respire yeah definitely you know we we

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have lungs but there's there's not just

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one solution you know we can look on

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different life forms and different ways

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that animals have overcome

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chemosynthetic worms that live in the

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deepest part of the ocean that you know

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bear almost no resemblance to anything

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that are not closely related to really

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have such a diversity of life on Earth

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that it's hard to predict what you're

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going to see when you start to cut

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something open that yeah I mean uh I

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would expect there to be parallels that

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we could draw to human anatomy but not a

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direct Coral or nothing's direct at all

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but I'd expect to see something that

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does the same type of function of

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removing waste as kidneys I wouldn't

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expect to see a single four-chamber

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heart but I would expect to see

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something that aids in circulation

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um and and you bring up Titan right and

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and Europa for instance is another

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really good example of this yeah I think

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that's probably what I was thinking of

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well Titan two though yeah

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and there are reasons uh for our

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suspicions of of being a great candidate

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for for supporting life now very cold

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covered in ice far from the Sun but the

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the pull and the gravity of Jupiter and

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in some cases Saturn

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um causes the interior to always be in

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motion and that there would be heat on

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the inside underneath and and it's not

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going to be a solid uh mass of ice that

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there is and okay so that okay all right

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all right but and here's the butt uh

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there's not going to be much oxygen

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there there's not going to be any light

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for energy creation right or absorption

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but we have the exact same things going

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on here on this planet absolutely yeah I

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go down to the deepest trenches and

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you've got you know you've got the same

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thing yeah we have two worms that are

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living with you know their their base uh

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something like 500 degrees warmer than

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the top of them I mean a 500 degree

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temperature difference just in this one

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organism and it can survive in that we

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have them living in sulfuric acid yeah

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sulfuric acid and high high pH extremes

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you know and and you know sulfur and

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everything else and and they Thrive yeah

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yeah an entire ecosystem driving down

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there so sure yeah I mean like like they

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say in Jurassic Park life will find a

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way it always does doesn't it

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um and that's that's another uh

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fascinating thing uh let's go there for

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a second after after we have some type

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of disaster situation yeah volcano goes

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off a wildfire comes through earthquake

326
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title whatever it is right and

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everything is wiped out until spring all

328
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right right yeah it's just like boom

329
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everything just just you can't stop life

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can you no we think you know we think of

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it as a world-ending event and there's

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there's a human there's an ending of

333
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humans but it doesn't it doesn't end the

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world and it doesn't stop life from you

335
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know continually evolving and changing I

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mean we we've this this uh

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planet has gone through multiple mass

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extinctions where we've lost you know up

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to 90 percent or more of all life on

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Earth and still come back from it a

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couple thousand years later we have 10

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000 new species yeah absolutely new new

343
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that's completely different completely

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unique and different I mean you look at

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you look at what the um what what

346
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animals look like back in the Cambrian

347
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explosion and back in the you know even

348
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before that and totally different

349
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totally alien looking life something

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that that we would never picture as any

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recognized species but you know that's

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something survived and something you

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know continued to change

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65 million years ago if we

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um that would be a good time travel

356
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experiment you know going back to see

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how the pyramids were built that's one

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thing jump back to 65 million years ago

359
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um and and see the dinosaurs and then

360
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the of course the asteroid impact and

361
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what environmentally would happen to

362
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this planet because it was

363
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um it wasn't just killing off the

364
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dinosaurs it was the atmosphere what was

365
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the atmosphere what we were breathing

366
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I'm not so sure that humans uh could

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have breathed the air no no no the

368
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oceans turned to acid I mean it was yeah

369
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yeah the amount of Ash uh it turned the

370
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oceans to acid and yeah the air was

371
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unbreathable for for most vertebrate

372
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life and then it allowed

373
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everything cleared out and we had a

374
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different atmosphere than we had when

375
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the dinosaurs were here yeah you open up

376
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new niches and something goes in to fill

377
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them absolutely yeah it's crazy isn't it

378
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it's just yeah I love it I mean that's

379
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what evolutionary biology is is my one

380
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of my favorite things in the world for

381
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exactly that reason it's uh it's amazing

382
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how it finds you know life life will

383
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find a little well a little foothold and

384
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that's all that it needs to you know

385
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completely Blossom and change no it's

386
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gonna be totally different okay so now

387
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let's talk punk music so so here's the

388
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deal

389
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how

390
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did humans modern Homo sapiens tape and

391
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you and I get here

392
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because if we go back in the fossil

393
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record

394
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um and and 200 000 years ago hundred

395
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fifty thousand two hundred thousand we

396
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can't even really get to 210 000 years

397
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right 200 000 years is a blip in time

398
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but that's where you and I appeared and

399
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allowed for punk music to evolve it's

400
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true did you see the new so just this

401
00:17:52,250 --> 00:17:50,460
week they had a new um they published

402
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this find out of uh

403
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oh boy I forget the cave in uh in South

404
00:17:59,990 --> 00:17:57,240
Africa but they they've now shown that

405
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this is up to 300 000 years ago the um

406
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the hominid culture there uh did

407
00:18:08,950 --> 00:18:05,520
purposeful burials and Cave markings

408
00:18:11,870 --> 00:18:08,960
okay markings up to 300 000 years ago

409
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100 000 years before we knew that any of

410
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that was happening and it was not Homo

411
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sapiens it was uh right right right and

412
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the sovians I forget I forget the the

413
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actual species but yeah it's amazing

414
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yeah and uh we're finding out more and

415
00:18:28,010 --> 00:18:25,740
more about us but let's go okay but

416
00:18:31,090 --> 00:18:28,020
let's stay and they evolved into Joey

417
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and Johnny and Marky and CJ

418
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how how is it that 200 000 years ago

419
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we just appeared

420
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you know I don't think we did well but

421
00:18:47,810 --> 00:18:45,059
there's no Evolution if you go with

422
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um uh I'm not an anthropologist I play

423
00:18:52,850 --> 00:18:50,520
one on TV okay but I'm pretty effective

424
00:18:56,049 --> 00:18:52,860
at it but

425
00:19:00,529 --> 00:18:56,059
um if we go with Darwin's and other

426
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accepted uh ideas with anthropology and

427
00:19:07,010 --> 00:19:04,140
and evolution then there would have been

428
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millions and if that tens of millions of

429
00:19:12,590 --> 00:19:10,140
years of us to develop

430
00:19:16,490 --> 00:19:12,600
are our beautiful faces and our physique

431
00:19:21,490 --> 00:19:16,500
no hair right and and just things

432
00:19:24,529 --> 00:19:21,500
um but we just appeared overnight and

433
00:19:27,230 --> 00:19:24,539
not necessarily there's you know a Gould

434
00:19:30,350 --> 00:19:27,240
gold has punctuated equilibrium is his

435
00:19:33,350 --> 00:19:30,360
uh kind of he tweaked Darwin's uh you

436
00:19:34,490 --> 00:19:33,360
know concept Darwin and and Wallace's

437
00:19:36,169 --> 00:19:34,500
concept

438
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um to go with a punctuated equilibrium

439
00:19:41,150 --> 00:19:38,880
where there's there's more Peaks and

440
00:19:43,190 --> 00:19:41,160
valleys so there there's there it would

441
00:19:44,990 --> 00:19:43,200
be likely to see something change that

442
00:19:46,370 --> 00:19:45,000
seems a little bit more drastic and then

443
00:19:48,470 --> 00:19:46,380
a little bit gradual and then drastic

444
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and then gradual and there's a lot of

445
00:19:53,930 --> 00:19:51,299
species that show that as well where um

446
00:19:55,430 --> 00:19:53,940
you know there's gaps in the fossil

447
00:19:58,789 --> 00:19:55,440
record for sure

448
00:20:01,010 --> 00:19:58,799
um but we we can go back pretty you know

449
00:20:03,770 --> 00:20:01,020
and and we can pretty well see from tree

450
00:20:06,830 --> 00:20:03,780
true all the way to modern humans

451
00:20:09,770 --> 00:20:06,840
without too many gaps and being able to

452
00:20:10,549 --> 00:20:09,780
see how this happened

453
00:20:13,510 --> 00:20:10,559
um

454
00:20:16,789 --> 00:20:13,520
it's all guesswork though well

455
00:20:19,490 --> 00:20:16,799
it's all guess okay I love this

456
00:20:21,529 --> 00:20:19,500
conversation because this is

457
00:20:24,470 --> 00:20:21,539
um and punctuated equilibrium and gold

458
00:20:29,289 --> 00:20:24,480
and and when he came along with that

459
00:20:34,970 --> 00:20:32,570
right right it was and now we're kind of

460
00:20:36,529 --> 00:20:34,980
going man he he he might have actually

461
00:20:39,590 --> 00:20:36,539
had this right

462
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so if if we stay with that let's go back

463
00:20:44,990 --> 00:20:41,100
to humans again

464
00:20:46,070 --> 00:20:45,000
we suddenly showed up with 46 chromosome

465
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pairs

466
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and with it's not like I don't know

467
00:20:53,870 --> 00:20:51,120
because I mean we don't know you can't

468
00:20:56,510 --> 00:20:53,880
we you can't get DNA from that long ago

469
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and be able to tell uh what what you

470
00:21:01,789 --> 00:20:59,160
know we we don't know the the the DNA of

471
00:21:05,150 --> 00:21:01,799
our oldest ancestors that's that's my

472
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slow and gradual process to get there

473
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like we can see you know denisovians um

474
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you can see the the change from the

475
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fossils before to to the fossils after

476
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and you can see you know neanderthals

477
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um we can see that Evolution we can see

478
00:21:25,610 --> 00:21:22,679
the the gradual change from there yes

479
00:21:28,130 --> 00:21:25,620
there may be some you know jumps but

480
00:21:30,649 --> 00:21:28,140
they're not as drastic as it's not you

481
00:21:32,990 --> 00:21:30,659
know a chimp one day and uh and a human

482
00:21:35,090 --> 00:21:33,000
the next there there is a lot of stages

483
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in between and we do have a pretty good

484
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fossil record for human evolution okay

485
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so

486
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um this is I disagree and this is why I

487
00:21:49,370 --> 00:21:45,960
disagree okay we'll see Lucy is pretty

488
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cool that was a fantastic Discovery

489
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absolutely unbelievable

490
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but it was three and a half million

491
00:22:01,850 --> 00:21:59,520
years ago and to go from Lucy to us

492
00:22:04,370 --> 00:22:01,860
in in that short of a period of time

493
00:22:06,710 --> 00:22:04,380
doesn't fit that that's not an

494
00:22:09,830 --> 00:22:06,720
evolutionary process and when you look

495
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at a neanderthal and you look at

496
00:22:14,149 --> 00:22:12,240
Cro-Magnon and you look at us that's two

497
00:22:19,130 --> 00:22:14,159
different there is an evolutionary

498
00:22:22,909 --> 00:22:19,140
process there we just appeared so what I

499
00:22:27,649 --> 00:22:22,919
am suggesting is that maybe we had

500
00:22:30,950 --> 00:22:27,659
maybe an extraterrestrial DNA snip snip

501
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um that that might have created us took

502
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us from 48 pairs right to 246.

503
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um which which to me there's a lot of

504
00:22:45,649 --> 00:22:42,539
information in those those pairs

505
00:22:48,529 --> 00:22:45,659
um if that was removed from us

506
00:22:52,070 --> 00:22:48,539
and and when you look at other primates

507
00:22:54,789 --> 00:22:52,080
that are sitting at 48 why aren't they

508
00:22:58,490 --> 00:22:54,799
inventing a new version of the internet

509
00:23:01,310 --> 00:22:58,500
why why do you understand where we just

510
00:23:04,610 --> 00:23:01,320
come along and and dominate so quickly

511
00:23:07,010 --> 00:23:04,620
and it appears that uh to me from the

512
00:23:10,190 --> 00:23:07,020
outside looking in that we were just

513
00:23:11,990 --> 00:23:10,200
dropped off maybe it was a meteorite I I

514
00:23:14,270 --> 00:23:12,000
can't explain I would say rats are more

515
00:23:15,070 --> 00:23:14,280
successful than humans at dominating the

516
00:23:18,409 --> 00:23:15,080
world

517
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so I mean insects you know the weevils

518
00:23:23,990 --> 00:23:21,120
there's uh what is it 120 thousands or

519
00:23:25,430 --> 00:23:24,000
60 000 species of weevils so I mean we

520
00:23:27,230 --> 00:23:25,440
do like to give ourselves a lot of

521
00:23:28,669 --> 00:23:27,240
credit and say that we have uh you know

522
00:23:31,010 --> 00:23:28,679
we we have taken over the earth I think

523
00:23:33,470 --> 00:23:31,020
that we're very destructive towards here

524
00:23:35,330 --> 00:23:33,480
but and there are certainly a huge

525
00:23:37,250 --> 00:23:35,340
number of humans and we are great at

526
00:23:39,770 --> 00:23:37,260
adapting our environment to us which

527
00:23:42,529 --> 00:23:39,780
allows us to go into a lot of different

528
00:23:44,870 --> 00:23:42,539
um environments which you know there's a

529
00:23:47,270 --> 00:23:44,880
number of species that can't but um

530
00:23:50,510 --> 00:23:47,280
there's a lot of worldwide species that

531
00:23:52,909 --> 00:23:50,520
have managed to take over uh better than

532
00:23:54,470 --> 00:23:52,919
we have we just uh and as far as

533
00:23:56,090 --> 00:23:54,480
intelligence goes I mean you were

534
00:23:57,470 --> 00:23:56,100
talking about it earlier there are

535
00:23:58,430 --> 00:23:57,480
different ways to measure intelligence

536
00:24:00,770 --> 00:23:58,440
different ways to think about

537
00:24:02,450 --> 00:24:00,780
intelligence um you know are we more

538
00:24:04,490 --> 00:24:02,460
intelligent than an octopus because

539
00:24:07,669 --> 00:24:04,500
we've designed the internet

540
00:24:09,830 --> 00:24:07,679
um most people would say yes but uh but

541
00:24:12,470 --> 00:24:09,840
the octopuses are less likely to destroy

542
00:24:15,169 --> 00:24:12,480
their entire species as well so there's

543
00:24:17,330 --> 00:24:15,179
that argument also yeah if if you gave

544
00:24:19,190 --> 00:24:17,340
octopus fire

545
00:24:21,409 --> 00:24:19,200
right that's all you need that's all you

546
00:24:23,990 --> 00:24:21,419
need that's all you need if it wouldn't

547
00:24:26,289 --> 00:24:24,000
do great underwater

548
00:24:28,130 --> 00:24:26,299
that's what's held them back

549
00:24:30,350 --> 00:24:28,140
tell them about

550
00:24:32,750 --> 00:24:30,360
them back if you gave octopus fire it'd

551
00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:32,760
be over it would be the movie arrival

552
00:24:38,330 --> 00:24:36,480
right it's true there was a there was a

553
00:24:40,510 --> 00:24:38,340
great series on Discovery Channel a few

554
00:24:42,649 --> 00:24:40,520
years ago that was um you know it was

555
00:24:44,810 --> 00:24:42,659
projecting into the future and what

556
00:24:46,970 --> 00:24:44,820
could you know after humans and they did

557
00:24:50,029 --> 00:24:46,980
have um cephalopods taking over and

558
00:24:51,409 --> 00:24:50,039
becoming you know a a human-like species

559
00:24:53,149 --> 00:24:51,419
they have them swinging through the

560
00:24:55,669 --> 00:24:53,159
trees and you know different tribes

561
00:24:58,669 --> 00:24:55,679
fighting each other and yeah it's I mean

562
00:25:02,090 --> 00:24:58,679
there's the potential watching uh I I go

563
00:25:04,549 --> 00:25:02,100
back arrival even though it's a it's a

564
00:25:08,210 --> 00:25:04,559
newer movie I think it's an instant

565
00:25:10,070 --> 00:25:08,220
classic and I I watch it all the time I

566
00:25:12,049 --> 00:25:10,080
think there's some kind of message there

567
00:25:13,310 --> 00:25:12,059
and I'm still trying to figure it out

568
00:25:15,250 --> 00:25:13,320
but

569
00:25:18,049 --> 00:25:15,260
aliens versus

570
00:25:21,110 --> 00:25:18,059
and and when they

571
00:25:23,090 --> 00:25:21,120
that first scene

572
00:25:25,190 --> 00:25:23,100
um when she walks up to the glass and

573
00:25:31,149 --> 00:25:25,200
they come out of the the the smoke right

574
00:25:38,169 --> 00:25:35,029
I knew it I knew it I knew it I knew it

575
00:25:42,350 --> 00:25:38,179
I knew it and there's I think that's uh

576
00:25:43,990 --> 00:25:42,360
uh when when uh the press release pad

577
00:25:47,510 --> 00:25:44,000
came out it was about five years ago

578
00:25:49,190 --> 00:25:47,520
where these uh biologists uh from around

579
00:25:51,169 --> 00:25:49,200
the world got together and said you know

580
00:25:52,370 --> 00:25:51,179
all of our species can kind of make

581
00:25:53,870 --> 00:25:52,380
sense of

582
00:25:56,890 --> 00:25:53,880
pretty much

583
00:26:03,130 --> 00:25:56,900
except for octopus octopus doesn't fit

584
00:26:05,690 --> 00:26:03,140
octopus maybe E.T octopus may have been

585
00:26:07,549 --> 00:26:05,700
dropped off here it's the one species

586
00:26:10,850 --> 00:26:07,559
that doesn't fit do you agree with that

587
00:26:12,169 --> 00:26:10,860
yeah well I mean I we do have a pretty

588
00:26:14,330 --> 00:26:12,179
good evolutionary path for for

589
00:26:15,470 --> 00:26:14,340
cephalopods as well there's uh there's a

590
00:26:17,570 --> 00:26:15,480
great book

591
00:26:20,810 --> 00:26:17,580
um this woman wrote I think it's called

592
00:26:22,549 --> 00:26:20,820
squid Empire and uh it that's the entire

593
00:26:24,649 --> 00:26:22,559
book is about the evolution of squid and

594
00:26:26,750 --> 00:26:24,659
octopus and it is really fascinating

595
00:26:28,610 --> 00:26:26,760
they started with shells um you know

596
00:26:31,430 --> 00:26:28,620
Nautilus is one of the most ancient

597
00:26:33,890 --> 00:26:31,440
forms of them um so we do have that but

598
00:26:36,590 --> 00:26:33,900
they are very very strange they are

599
00:26:39,289 --> 00:26:36,600
really surreal and the the

600
00:26:41,570 --> 00:26:39,299
um ability to change their shape and to

601
00:26:43,789 --> 00:26:41,580
change their color you know at a in a

602
00:26:46,549 --> 00:26:43,799
millisecond is uh is pretty impressive

603
00:26:48,610 --> 00:26:46,559
and they are very smart World Bigfoot

604
00:26:52,330 --> 00:26:48,620
radios in the house tonight

605
00:26:54,789 --> 00:26:52,340
aliens in Galaxy quests we're also

606
00:27:00,110 --> 00:26:54,799
octopi yeah

607
00:27:04,549 --> 00:27:00,120
oh man yeah and and for us to

608
00:27:06,169 --> 00:27:04,559
um uh to evolve into uh what we are

609
00:27:11,149 --> 00:27:06,179
today

610
00:27:15,049 --> 00:27:11,159
um which I think is uh I I either we

611
00:27:16,430 --> 00:27:15,059
accept Academia that it was all just a

612
00:27:18,890 --> 00:27:16,440
an accident

613
00:27:23,029 --> 00:27:18,900
or that there might be something more

614
00:27:24,190 --> 00:27:23,039
Grand right well I mean and I I I think

615
00:27:27,110 --> 00:27:24,200
I think

616
00:27:29,570 --> 00:27:27,120
I'm going to say on the safe side of

617
00:27:33,529 --> 00:27:29,580
history on this one I think in the

618
00:27:36,769 --> 00:27:33,539
future we're gonna find out that we had

619
00:27:40,850 --> 00:27:36,779
help from from out there I I think

620
00:27:44,149 --> 00:27:40,860
that's a much easier explanation than

621
00:27:47,330 --> 00:27:44,159
lightning hitting a DNA strand on a

622
00:27:51,169 --> 00:27:47,340
chunk of crystal in a lake bed in South

623
00:27:54,470 --> 00:27:51,179
Africa I'm not I'm not I'm not buying

624
00:27:56,649 --> 00:27:54,480
into that uh I I think that uh we had

625
00:27:59,810 --> 00:27:56,659
some help and I'm okay I'm okay

626
00:28:02,870 --> 00:27:59,820
panspermia is a really fascinating area

627
00:28:05,870 --> 00:28:02,880
of study and uh but I I do tend to go

628
00:28:08,409 --> 00:28:05,880
with a very classic evolutionary biology

629
00:28:10,850 --> 00:28:08,419
um we named my son is uh Wallace Charles

630
00:28:12,370 --> 00:28:10,860
after uh Charles Darwin and Alfred

631
00:28:14,870 --> 00:28:12,380
Russell Wallace

632
00:28:17,269 --> 00:28:14,880
and Charles Fort Charles Fort Charles

633
00:28:19,310 --> 00:28:17,279
Darwin Alfred Russell Wallace uh Charles

634
00:28:23,330 --> 00:28:19,320
Ford there's a good one that was a good

635
00:28:26,690 --> 00:28:23,340
one my great great uncle yes you know

636
00:28:28,549 --> 00:28:26,700
um did you it's great great right so

637
00:28:30,230 --> 00:28:28,559
yeah it's beyond that it's my my

638
00:28:32,269 --> 00:28:30,240
grandmother's great uncle so whatever

639
00:28:35,149 --> 00:28:32,279
that would make great great great I

640
00:28:37,850 --> 00:28:35,159
think but man you got some good DNA man

641
00:28:40,549 --> 00:28:37,860
you got some good DNA I hope do you find

642
00:28:43,490 --> 00:28:40,559
yourself thinking outside of the box is

643
00:28:45,649 --> 00:28:43,500
it into your DNA yeah absolutely I mean

644
00:28:47,149 --> 00:28:45,659
I I've that that's that's been my entire

645
00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:47,159
life since I was a little kid I was I

646
00:28:51,409 --> 00:28:49,440
was the weird little kid as I think no

647
00:28:53,149 --> 00:28:51,419
one would be surprised to hear

648
00:28:55,549 --> 00:28:53,159
um and you know fascinated by all

649
00:28:56,750 --> 00:28:55,559
wildlife and the crazier and creepier

650
00:28:57,710 --> 00:28:56,760
the better

651
00:28:59,810 --> 00:28:57,720
um so that's what got me into

652
00:29:02,330 --> 00:28:59,820
cryptozoology really was looking at you

653
00:29:04,789 --> 00:29:02,340
know the deep sea creatures and bats and

654
00:29:07,010 --> 00:29:04,799
snakes and lizards and kind of creepy

655
00:29:08,450 --> 00:29:07,020
crawlies spiders all that and my

656
00:29:09,710 --> 00:29:08,460
grandmother used to say when I was

657
00:29:11,570 --> 00:29:09,720
growing up oh you're just like your

658
00:29:13,730 --> 00:29:11,580
uncle Charlie and I had no idea who

659
00:29:15,529 --> 00:29:13,740
uncle Charlie was when I was growing up

660
00:29:17,750 --> 00:29:15,539
I didn't know

661
00:29:19,370 --> 00:29:17,760
do you read the books oh yeah absolutely

662
00:29:22,070 --> 00:29:19,380
I've got them all right here yeah I've

663
00:29:24,950 --> 00:29:22,080
got I've got signed by him actually

664
00:29:25,970 --> 00:29:24,960
okay for the audience

665
00:29:28,010 --> 00:29:25,980
um

666
00:29:29,289 --> 00:29:28,020
they may not know what we're talking

667
00:29:33,350 --> 00:29:29,299
about

668
00:29:37,190 --> 00:29:33,360
the book of the Damned oh yeah they know

669
00:29:40,250 --> 00:29:37,200
40 in times right they know that

670
00:29:42,830 --> 00:29:40,260
but they don't know what we're talking

671
00:29:47,510 --> 00:29:42,840
about here so let's think about uh tell

672
00:29:51,769 --> 00:29:47,520
us about Charles and uh and and and why

673
00:29:53,510 --> 00:29:51,779
40 in now is is part of Pop Culture sure

674
00:29:56,990 --> 00:29:53,520
absolutely so Charles Ford is the The

675
00:29:58,970 --> 00:29:57,000
Godfather of the Paranormal

676
00:30:01,669 --> 00:29:58,980
um you know the the prophet the the

677
00:30:03,649 --> 00:30:01,679
prophet Charles Fort so he was

678
00:30:06,230 --> 00:30:03,659
um kind of the first person to give

679
00:30:08,210 --> 00:30:06,240
Credence to some of the stranger things

680
00:30:10,610 --> 00:30:08,220
that people had been reporting he did

681
00:30:12,830 --> 00:30:10,620
most of his research from libraries but

682
00:30:14,510 --> 00:30:12,840
he did do some World Travel and some uh

683
00:30:16,610 --> 00:30:14,520
some travel to investigate on his own

684
00:30:18,110 --> 00:30:16,620
but most of it was just looking at these

685
00:30:20,389 --> 00:30:18,120
stories and trying to come up with a

686
00:30:22,549 --> 00:30:20,399
rational explanation for something that

687
00:30:25,310 --> 00:30:22,559
science seemed to just write off and in

688
00:30:26,389 --> 00:30:25,320
some cases he was absolutely correct um

689
00:30:29,330 --> 00:30:26,399
you know people have been telling

690
00:30:30,769 --> 00:30:29,340
stories of ball lightning for centuries

691
00:30:32,090 --> 00:30:30,779
and no one took it seriously they

692
00:30:34,010 --> 00:30:32,100
thought that these were ghost stories

693
00:30:36,289 --> 00:30:34,020
this is just um but you know it is a

694
00:30:38,690 --> 00:30:36,299
true phenomena that really happens

695
00:30:40,190 --> 00:30:38,700
um reigning fish raining fish raining

696
00:30:42,230 --> 00:30:40,200
frogs these were the things Charles Fort

697
00:30:44,149 --> 00:30:42,240
was the first to really document these

698
00:30:46,070 --> 00:30:44,159
and to collect stories from around the

699
00:30:48,350 --> 00:30:46,080
world and say no this is a real

700
00:30:50,990 --> 00:30:48,360
phenomena that's happening let's try to

701
00:30:53,450 --> 00:30:51,000
theorize how and why

702
00:30:55,549 --> 00:30:53,460
um so taking not quite a scientific

703
00:30:57,350 --> 00:30:55,559
approach to it but at least documenting

704
00:30:59,090 --> 00:30:57,360
it and giving credence to this and and

705
00:31:01,010 --> 00:30:59,100
putting this out there and saying Why

706
00:31:03,169 --> 00:31:01,020
will why is science writing this off

707
00:31:04,250 --> 00:31:03,179
science collectively why are they

708
00:31:06,590 --> 00:31:04,260
writing this off without even

709
00:31:08,570 --> 00:31:06,600
investigating and that's kind of where I

710
00:31:10,430 --> 00:31:08,580
take that from Charles Ford as well is

711
00:31:12,470 --> 00:31:10,440
you know why write something off without

712
00:31:14,750 --> 00:31:12,480
even looking into it how can we say that

713
00:31:17,450 --> 00:31:14,760
this is impossible without even you know

714
00:31:19,630 --> 00:31:17,460
looking into what if it's not real then

715
00:31:22,430 --> 00:31:19,640
what could this be mistaken for

716
00:31:25,190 --> 00:31:22,440
yeah that's right and he invented the

717
00:31:27,470 --> 00:31:25,200
term uh teleportation that was Charles

718
00:31:30,049 --> 00:31:27,480
Ford that was Charles Fort and so it's

719
00:31:34,070 --> 00:31:30,059
in your D a man I think it's it's one of

720
00:31:37,669 --> 00:31:34,080
the coolest things like ever I mean I I

721
00:31:40,010 --> 00:31:37,679
I don't know if I wanted if I had a

722
00:31:43,669 --> 00:31:40,020
choice of who I would want as my great

723
00:31:46,490 --> 00:31:43,679
great uncle but uh Charles Fort would be

724
00:31:48,409 --> 00:31:46,500
high on that list my man no it really is

725
00:31:50,090 --> 00:31:48,419
very cool I was I was really excited and

726
00:31:51,289 --> 00:31:50,100
I didn't find out until after I had read

727
00:31:53,330 --> 00:31:51,299
his books

728
00:31:55,370 --> 00:31:53,340
so I was reading them and my grandmother

729
00:31:57,409 --> 00:31:55,380
who said had told me I was like my uncle

730
00:31:58,730 --> 00:31:57,419
Charlie she saw me reading the book of

731
00:32:00,289 --> 00:31:58,740
the Damned and said that's your uncle

732
00:32:03,169 --> 00:32:00,299
Charlie what are you talking about

733
00:32:04,610 --> 00:32:03,179
that's that's Charles Fort I said ah so

734
00:32:06,289 --> 00:32:04,620
and then she brought out all the books

735
00:32:08,870 --> 00:32:06,299
and some other paraphernalia and some

736
00:32:11,930 --> 00:32:08,880
family photos tin types and things of

737
00:32:13,970 --> 00:32:11,940
his and oh I had absolutely no idea now

738
00:32:15,830 --> 00:32:13,980
you brought it panspermia a couple of

739
00:32:19,010 --> 00:32:15,840
times and

740
00:32:21,889 --> 00:32:19,020
um it is a subject that I address

741
00:32:25,909 --> 00:32:21,899
constantly

742
00:32:27,889 --> 00:32:25,919
and so let me just explain something

743
00:32:30,590 --> 00:32:27,899
you're my guess I don't want to take up

744
00:32:32,830 --> 00:32:30,600
your time here but just so you

745
00:32:34,730 --> 00:32:32,840
understand where my mind is coming from

746
00:32:38,649 --> 00:32:34,740
I know

747
00:32:41,450 --> 00:32:38,659
I've seen things we are being visited by

748
00:32:44,389 --> 00:32:41,460
friends from outer space I know this

749
00:32:46,669 --> 00:32:44,399
this this is a fact for me all right I'm

750
00:32:50,090 --> 00:32:46,679
chasing this down but um I also

751
00:32:53,049 --> 00:32:50,100
fascinated with science and the more

752
00:32:55,669 --> 00:32:53,059
that I try to find out this information

753
00:32:58,370 --> 00:32:55,679
it keeps pulling me over to science and

754
00:33:04,730 --> 00:32:58,380
pulling me over to science and one of

755
00:33:11,630 --> 00:33:08,990
is amino acids an RNA and amino acids

756
00:33:15,590 --> 00:33:11,640
and basic sugars

757
00:33:17,630 --> 00:33:15,600
um and RNA which we can't happen our DNA

758
00:33:20,389 --> 00:33:17,640
does not happen unless RNA tells it

759
00:33:21,230 --> 00:33:20,399
what's what what to do it's it's that

760
00:33:24,350 --> 00:33:21,240
simple

761
00:33:30,110 --> 00:33:24,360
and this stuff

762
00:33:33,950 --> 00:33:30,120
is arriving on our planet on space rocks

763
00:33:36,649 --> 00:33:33,960
and it's like wait a minute here

764
00:33:38,330 --> 00:33:36,659
that's exactly when we go back and we

765
00:33:40,970 --> 00:33:38,340
start we're talking about panspermia

766
00:33:43,970 --> 00:33:40,980
it's one thing to have it as a theory

767
00:33:46,850 --> 00:33:43,980
and it's another thing to prove it as

768
00:33:51,049 --> 00:33:46,860
fact which we have and our second trip

769
00:33:53,330 --> 00:33:51,059
uh from bennu uh an asteroid is going to

770
00:33:55,430 --> 00:33:53,340
be here in September

771
00:33:57,889 --> 00:33:55,440
um everything that we have studied that

772
00:34:01,730 --> 00:33:57,899
has fallen on this planet looking for

773
00:34:05,210 --> 00:34:01,740
this stuff it's there which means DNA

774
00:34:08,570 --> 00:34:05,220
RNA these basic things in life

775
00:34:12,230 --> 00:34:08,580
not only survive the vacuum of space but

776
00:34:15,050 --> 00:34:12,240
it's everywhere which means DNA must be

777
00:34:17,149 --> 00:34:15,060
Universal and that's that's where I'm

778
00:34:19,430 --> 00:34:17,159
coming from with all of this I don't

779
00:34:21,109 --> 00:34:19,440
think uh life is an accident I think it

780
00:34:23,990 --> 00:34:21,119
exists everywhere

781
00:34:26,210 --> 00:34:24,000
so I with the with what's been found on

782
00:34:28,129 --> 00:34:26,220
meteorites I have read

783
00:34:29,690 --> 00:34:28,139
a few different reports and a few

784
00:34:32,210 --> 00:34:29,700
different things on on

785
00:34:34,609 --> 00:34:32,220
is it contamination since it's entered

786
00:34:36,290 --> 00:34:34,619
Earth's atmosphere or was it there

787
00:34:39,169 --> 00:34:36,300
previously and I don't think that

788
00:34:41,829 --> 00:34:39,179
anyone's definitively shown one answer

789
00:34:46,490 --> 00:34:41,839
or the other except

790
00:34:50,990 --> 00:34:46,500
Japan's recent uh delivery three months

791
00:34:53,570 --> 00:34:51,000
ago of uh from an asteroid that had all

792
00:34:57,230 --> 00:34:53,580
of the basic sugars and amino acids

793
00:34:58,790 --> 00:34:57,240
intact from an asteroid in space that's

794
00:35:01,310 --> 00:34:58,800
amazing I haven't I haven't read that

795
00:35:05,570 --> 00:35:01,320
I'll have to look that up okay all right

796
00:35:07,190 --> 00:35:05,580
okay all right so uh bennu which is the

797
00:35:10,430 --> 00:35:07,200
second asteroid

798
00:35:14,030 --> 00:35:10,440
um uh uh that was a United States

799
00:35:16,730 --> 00:35:14,040
international uh trip uh to this giant

800
00:35:18,349 --> 00:35:16,740
asteroid we've collected samples off of

801
00:35:20,930 --> 00:35:18,359
that and those samples are going to be

802
00:35:24,410 --> 00:35:20,940
here in January

803
00:35:28,069 --> 00:35:24,420
um it if it's a repeat of what was just

804
00:35:29,390 --> 00:35:28,079
discovered three three months ago then I

805
00:35:33,470 --> 00:35:29,400
don't think that there's any question

806
00:35:35,569 --> 00:35:33,480
about what may be happening that RNA the

807
00:35:38,569 --> 00:35:35,579
basic you know it's still those basic

808
00:35:41,810 --> 00:35:38,579
sugars right it's it's it's all you

809
00:35:43,849 --> 00:35:41,820
really need to jump start anything on a

810
00:35:46,550 --> 00:35:43,859
planet that's got an atmosphere that

811
00:35:49,970 --> 00:35:46,560
that can accept it and it's a crazy

812
00:35:53,450 --> 00:35:49,980
thought that it's just it's not kind of

813
00:35:55,790 --> 00:35:53,460
it's it's everywhere there was a there

814
00:35:58,550 --> 00:35:55,800
was a study um a few years ago where

815
00:36:00,710 --> 00:35:58,560
they they tried to recreate what the um

816
00:36:01,970 --> 00:36:00,720
what the Earth would the CR the um

817
00:36:03,050 --> 00:36:01,980
conditions that the Earth would have

818
00:36:04,790 --> 00:36:03,060
been in

819
00:36:08,810 --> 00:36:04,800
um you know shortly after it cooled

820
00:36:11,030 --> 00:36:08,820
enough to have liquid on the surface and

821
00:36:14,089 --> 00:36:11,040
um they they didn't let it go for you

822
00:36:16,010 --> 00:36:14,099
know millions of years but in the in in

823
00:36:17,930 --> 00:36:16,020
the process and I forget if it was

824
00:36:19,670 --> 00:36:17,940
completely on a computer if they

825
00:36:21,829 --> 00:36:19,680
actually did this in the lab I'm not I'm

826
00:36:25,190 --> 00:36:21,839
not completely remembering but they did

827
00:36:27,890 --> 00:36:25,200
show where amino acids could come from

828
00:36:30,230 --> 00:36:27,900
the the Ooze from the sludge and where

829
00:36:32,990 --> 00:36:30,240
this you know it had the potential to be

830
00:36:36,410 --> 00:36:33,000
building up to create you know

831
00:36:41,630 --> 00:36:36,420
um self-replicating on RNA or DNA

832
00:36:44,089 --> 00:36:41,640
yeah and uh which is uh again what what

833
00:36:46,609 --> 00:36:44,099
I always like to do

834
00:36:51,349 --> 00:36:46,619
um is how long

835
00:36:52,609 --> 00:36:51,359
right so Earth you know you said three

836
00:36:54,050 --> 00:36:52,619
and a half billion years I don't think

837
00:36:55,970 --> 00:36:54,060
it was quite that I think I thought it

838
00:36:58,370 --> 00:36:55,980
was 11. I think it's actually no that's

839
00:37:01,490 --> 00:36:58,380
the universe is 11. I think Earth is uh

840
00:37:04,870 --> 00:37:01,500
yeah oh man I'm out of my depth yeah

841
00:37:07,329 --> 00:37:04,880
that's okay Universe the universe is

842
00:37:11,990 --> 00:37:07,339
13.8 there we go

843
00:37:14,569 --> 00:37:12,000
our solar system is 5 billion years old

844
00:37:16,190 --> 00:37:14,579
Earth and our sun are about the same age

845
00:37:19,490 --> 00:37:16,200
right now at about four and a half

846
00:37:21,950 --> 00:37:19,500
billion years once the Earth cooled and

847
00:37:24,770 --> 00:37:21,960
we got rid of the lava because that's

848
00:37:27,290 --> 00:37:24,780
all we that's all it was you know we're

849
00:37:29,990 --> 00:37:27,300
bombarded by comets and ice and water

850
00:37:30,829 --> 00:37:30,000
and things and and the change and so

851
00:37:34,490 --> 00:37:30,839
about

852
00:37:36,589 --> 00:37:34,500
two and a half two billion years ago

853
00:37:40,010 --> 00:37:36,599
um the the Earth cooled and we had a

854
00:37:44,030 --> 00:37:40,020
situation here where uh life could start

855
00:37:46,250 --> 00:37:44,040
to get a foothold but I don't I don't to

856
00:37:47,710 --> 00:37:46,260
me I don't think two billion years is

857
00:37:51,910 --> 00:37:47,720
long enough

858
00:37:54,370 --> 00:37:51,920
for me uh to go from accidental

859
00:37:58,670 --> 00:37:54,380
chemistries right and particle

860
00:38:02,870 --> 00:37:58,680
combinations into Black Flag playing in

861
00:38:04,430 --> 00:38:02,880
Long Beach arena I I I I I don't is

862
00:38:08,890 --> 00:38:04,440
something transcendental about Black

863
00:38:13,849 --> 00:38:12,109
oh man but you know what I mean and and

864
00:38:16,670 --> 00:38:13,859
how

865
00:38:19,310 --> 00:38:16,680
um if we look at uh I'm gonna stay on

866
00:38:22,790 --> 00:38:19,320
the oceans for a second but if if you if

867
00:38:24,829 --> 00:38:22,800
we take a look at 1900 right that's a

868
00:38:27,530 --> 00:38:24,839
hundred years ago one lifetime ago right

869
00:38:30,730 --> 00:38:27,540
yeah it's 125 years ago

870
00:38:32,329 --> 00:38:30,740
but in 60 years

871
00:38:37,150 --> 00:38:32,339
60.

872
00:38:42,349 --> 00:38:37,160
60 years we went from horse and Buggies

873
00:38:44,390 --> 00:38:42,359
and gas lamps in 1900 right oil lamps

874
00:38:50,150 --> 00:38:44,400
yeah

875
00:38:53,630 --> 00:38:50,160
technological advances are are shocking

876
00:38:57,410 --> 00:38:53,640
and staggering crazy to think about yes

877
00:39:01,910 --> 00:38:57,420
you you could have been born in 1890

878
00:39:03,829 --> 00:39:01,920
right you kept born in 1890 and and then

879
00:39:06,589 --> 00:39:03,839
went to Woodstock

880
00:39:09,050 --> 00:39:06,599
and what you would have seen in in your

881
00:39:10,550 --> 00:39:09,060
lifetime that's remarkable to me I mean

882
00:39:12,170 --> 00:39:10,560
that's just crazy yeah and the

883
00:39:14,470 --> 00:39:12,180
technological changes they say that you

884
00:39:18,290 --> 00:39:14,480
know if you were born in the

885
00:39:20,150 --> 00:39:18,300
1600s or the 1700s it probably wouldn't

886
00:39:23,650 --> 00:39:20,160
have been that different than if you

887
00:39:27,410 --> 00:39:23,660
were born in the early to mid 1800s even

888
00:39:29,630 --> 00:39:27,420
1500s to mid 1800s not massively

889
00:39:31,370 --> 00:39:29,640
different you would still recognize the

890
00:39:33,410 --> 00:39:31,380
essential technology that people were

891
00:39:35,210 --> 00:39:33,420
using yes there were huge advances There

892
00:39:37,730 --> 00:39:35,220
Was You Know indoor plumbing and other

893
00:39:40,250 --> 00:39:37,740
things that were massive advances but

894
00:39:41,349 --> 00:39:40,260
still essentially the same whereas if

895
00:39:44,870 --> 00:39:41,359
you go

896
00:39:46,609 --> 00:39:44,880
1950 to today

897
00:39:50,270 --> 00:39:46,619
two different worlds two different

898
00:39:53,990 --> 00:39:50,280
worlds two completely different worlds

899
00:39:57,170 --> 00:39:54,000
um now one of the things

900
00:39:58,210 --> 00:39:57,180
um that is being talked about in the UFO

901
00:40:01,310 --> 00:39:58,220
community

902
00:40:06,550 --> 00:40:01,320
and the Department of Defense and

903
00:40:09,130 --> 00:40:06,560
Congress and arrow and right uh the CIA

904
00:40:14,450 --> 00:40:09,140
is that

905
00:40:18,370 --> 00:40:14,460
some of not all but some of what we may

906
00:40:21,050 --> 00:40:18,380
have normally attributed as a UFO

907
00:40:25,210 --> 00:40:21,060
unidentified flying object something

908
00:40:29,990 --> 00:40:25,220
from outer space may actually be Usos

909
00:40:32,750 --> 00:40:30,000
and uh their Origins are from our oceans

910
00:40:34,849 --> 00:40:32,760
and we just haven't discovered them yet

911
00:40:37,069 --> 00:40:34,859
you've done you spent a lot of time

912
00:40:38,569 --> 00:40:37,079
under the water we're joking about that

913
00:40:40,849 --> 00:40:38,579
earlier

914
00:40:43,490 --> 00:40:40,859
um would that the ocean's a big place

915
00:40:45,230 --> 00:40:43,500
would it surprise you if if E.T was

916
00:40:48,050 --> 00:40:45,240
hiding from us

917
00:40:50,510 --> 00:40:48,060
um in in the vastness of the Atlantic or

918
00:40:53,329 --> 00:40:50,520
the Pacific the the deepest parts of the

919
00:40:56,030 --> 00:40:53,339
ocean are the most unexplored regions of

920
00:40:57,829 --> 00:40:56,040
our world so there could be a a lot

921
00:40:58,730 --> 00:40:57,839
hiding down there that we're not aware

922
00:41:00,710 --> 00:40:58,740
of

923
00:41:02,750 --> 00:41:00,720
um I would be surprised to find an

924
00:41:04,730 --> 00:41:02,760
intelligent Society

925
00:41:06,650 --> 00:41:04,740
um you know a human-like intelligence

926
00:41:08,569 --> 00:41:06,660
Society down there just because I think

927
00:41:10,069 --> 00:41:08,579
that we would have had contact

928
00:41:13,250 --> 00:41:10,079
um I don't that it would be something

929
00:41:15,230 --> 00:41:13,260
that could stay hidden for too long

930
00:41:17,690 --> 00:41:15,240
um because just like we have gone down

931
00:41:18,589 --> 00:41:17,700
there they would be coming up here as

932
00:41:20,510 --> 00:41:18,599
well

933
00:41:22,310 --> 00:41:20,520
um should they evolve like that and I

934
00:41:24,890 --> 00:41:22,320
think that you know the a few sightings

935
00:41:28,010 --> 00:41:24,900
here and there wouldn't really

936
00:41:29,990 --> 00:41:28,020
be enough for for me

937
00:41:31,490 --> 00:41:30,000
um at this point to say that there is an

938
00:41:33,530 --> 00:41:31,500
intelligent Society living in the

939
00:41:35,630 --> 00:41:33,540
deepest parts of the ocean

940
00:41:37,730 --> 00:41:35,640
um but finding unknown creatures down

941
00:41:39,530 --> 00:41:37,740
there finding large unknown creatures I

942
00:41:41,990 --> 00:41:39,540
think is a given there are definitely

943
00:41:44,329 --> 00:41:42,000
big things living under the ocean that

944
00:41:46,490 --> 00:41:44,339
we have not found yet probably other

945
00:41:52,370 --> 00:41:46,500
types of squid right right right right

946
00:41:55,550 --> 00:41:52,380
right right but why why why allude

947
00:41:57,290 --> 00:41:55,560
to this if you're if if you're the

948
00:41:59,290 --> 00:41:57,300
government or you're the Department of

949
00:42:02,329 --> 00:41:59,300
Defense or you're the United States Navy

950
00:42:05,270 --> 00:42:02,339
and you start making these suggestions

951
00:42:07,430 --> 00:42:05,280
that well maybe maybe they're from here

952
00:42:10,910 --> 00:42:07,440
it's like well wait a minute

953
00:42:14,690 --> 00:42:10,920
um what what is it that you know

954
00:42:16,790 --> 00:42:14,700
um and it seems that uh you you know I

955
00:42:20,329 --> 00:42:16,800
know this is out of your wheelhouse but

956
00:42:23,569 --> 00:42:20,339
it seems that they have zeroed in on a

957
00:42:28,250 --> 00:42:23,579
specific location where there is ingress

958
00:42:30,950 --> 00:42:28,260
and and egressing of of objects in in

959
00:42:35,150 --> 00:42:30,960
the Atlantic Ocean that they they have

960
00:42:37,790 --> 00:42:35,160
seen this uh happened and occur

961
00:42:40,310 --> 00:42:37,800
um that's the part that I find really

962
00:42:41,930 --> 00:42:40,320
really fascinating that if you were

963
00:42:44,450 --> 00:42:41,940
going to hide from if you were going to

964
00:42:47,510 --> 00:42:44,460
visit this planet right and you need to

965
00:42:49,490 --> 00:42:47,520
hide from us because they know now that

966
00:42:53,569 --> 00:42:49,500
we have the ability to shoot them down

967
00:42:57,050 --> 00:42:53,579
and we will all right it's a fact

968
00:43:00,109 --> 00:42:57,060
um uh wouldn't you if you were ET

969
00:43:02,150 --> 00:43:00,119
wouldn't wouldn't you hide where you

970
00:43:03,650 --> 00:43:02,160
could and the ocean seemed like a good

971
00:43:06,829 --> 00:43:03,660
place to hide

972
00:43:09,109 --> 00:43:06,839
it's exactly right right

973
00:43:10,970 --> 00:43:09,119
yeah if you've got the technology to for

974
00:43:13,670 --> 00:43:10,980
Interstellar travel then you know I'm

975
00:43:16,730 --> 00:43:13,680
the technology to go under the water is

976
00:43:18,170 --> 00:43:16,740
probably a little bit easier well um you

977
00:43:20,390 --> 00:43:18,180
did one thing

978
00:43:21,410 --> 00:43:20,400
um I'm gonna uh ask you about this I

979
00:43:28,250 --> 00:43:21,420
have a

980
00:43:29,750 --> 00:43:28,260
I have been facing my fears with that

981
00:43:33,530 --> 00:43:29,760
I've done I've done a couple of things

982
00:43:35,530 --> 00:43:33,540
lately that I swore I would never do

983
00:43:37,970 --> 00:43:35,540
um now going

984
00:43:40,670 --> 00:43:37,980
spelunking and I don't know if that's in

985
00:43:41,870 --> 00:43:40,680
my future yet but I'm getting close

986
00:43:45,050 --> 00:43:41,880
um but

987
00:43:47,990 --> 00:43:45,060
um so uh for one of my TV shows on

988
00:43:51,970 --> 00:43:48,000
History Channel we uh we get this

989
00:43:54,190 --> 00:43:51,980
research ship we head out to the Pacific

990
00:43:56,450 --> 00:43:54,200
one of the

991
00:44:00,050 --> 00:43:56,460
suggestions and this happened to me

992
00:44:03,530 --> 00:44:00,060
twice was okay so we're gonna get a

993
00:44:05,510 --> 00:44:03,540
small submersible you know two three

994
00:44:08,770 --> 00:44:05,520
person submersible and we're gonna send

995
00:44:13,130 --> 00:44:08,780
you down we're gonna I was like what

996
00:44:14,630 --> 00:44:13,140
what's your idea and and well you know

997
00:44:16,010 --> 00:44:14,640
it's we're you know you're not going to

998
00:44:18,170 --> 00:44:16,020
go that far you know it's going to be

999
00:44:20,510 --> 00:44:18,180
about 500 feet maybe a thousand feet

1000
00:44:24,170 --> 00:44:20,520
depends on this who's going to be on

1001
00:44:28,069 --> 00:44:24,180
this well you and a camera guy and the

1002
00:44:31,010 --> 00:44:28,079
uh no no yeah no no no no no no no no no

1003
00:44:34,490 --> 00:44:31,020
no I'm changing I'm changing we're into

1004
00:44:36,470 --> 00:44:34,500
rewrite on this script right now but

1005
00:44:39,010 --> 00:44:36,480
you've done that coolest thing I ever

1006
00:44:42,109 --> 00:44:39,020
did in my life absolutely

1007
00:44:45,109 --> 00:44:42,119
walk me through that and and can you

1008
00:44:47,690 --> 00:44:45,119
ease obviously you don't have issues

1009
00:44:50,270 --> 00:44:47,700
with claustrophobia or do you no no no

1010
00:44:52,069 --> 00:44:50,280
no no it was uh I was so

1011
00:44:54,290 --> 00:44:52,079
I was like a little kid in a candy shop

1012
00:44:56,809 --> 00:44:54,300
I was way too excited to be scared or

1013
00:44:59,030 --> 00:44:56,819
nervous or have any if you're other than

1014
00:45:00,770 --> 00:44:59,040
just pure joy I mean as a marine

1015
00:45:02,630 --> 00:45:00,780
biologist it was the the thing that I'd

1016
00:45:04,790 --> 00:45:02,640
wanted to do my entire life is to go

1017
00:45:06,230 --> 00:45:04,800
explore the depths and to have the

1018
00:45:08,870 --> 00:45:06,240
chance to go down in the three-person

1019
00:45:12,470 --> 00:45:08,880
sub a thousand feet under water it was

1020
00:45:13,069 --> 00:45:12,480
it was wild so they the I

1021
00:45:15,650 --> 00:45:13,079
um

1022
00:45:18,290 --> 00:45:15,660
I convinced the production company to to

1023
00:45:21,770 --> 00:45:18,300
do it because it was really expensive

1024
00:45:23,390 --> 00:45:21,780
um to do this and um you know after kind

1025
00:45:24,829 --> 00:45:23,400
of begging and pleading and making my

1026
00:45:26,569 --> 00:45:24,839
case you know I'll eat nothing but Power

1027
00:45:28,010 --> 00:45:26,579
Bars I'll sleep in the worst hotels I'll

1028
00:45:30,530 --> 00:45:28,020
sleep in the back of the car I'll drive

1029
00:45:32,030 --> 00:45:30,540
us so you know finally convince them to

1030
00:45:34,010 --> 00:45:32,040
do this and we see the sub and it was

1031
00:45:36,410 --> 00:45:34,020
going to be me and our um and the

1032
00:45:38,990 --> 00:45:36,420
director and we had to lay on these cots

1033
00:45:40,190 --> 00:45:39,000
so you can't even stand up or sit sit up

1034
00:45:42,109 --> 00:45:40,200
straight you know we're just laying on

1035
00:45:44,270 --> 00:45:42,119
these cots facing forward with our heads

1036
00:45:46,790 --> 00:45:44,280
you know looking out into this into the

1037
00:45:49,069 --> 00:45:46,800
ocean and then the pilot sits kind of

1038
00:45:50,809 --> 00:45:49,079
where our knees are so our legs are

1039
00:45:52,250 --> 00:45:50,819
extending past him and he's sitting

1040
00:45:55,250 --> 00:45:52,260
there with the little controls like this

1041
00:45:57,710 --> 00:45:55,260
like driving the thing and

1042
00:45:59,510 --> 00:45:57,720
um it was just unreal it was better than

1043
00:46:02,450 --> 00:45:59,520
I ever imagined we were down there for a

1044
00:46:03,770 --> 00:46:02,460
few hours and I got to see lion's mane

1045
00:46:05,450 --> 00:46:03,780
jellyfish I got to see a couple

1046
00:46:07,730 --> 00:46:05,460
different species of squid I got to see

1047
00:46:09,410 --> 00:46:07,740
squat lobsters and a whole bunch of

1048
00:46:11,990 --> 00:46:09,420
different worms and

1049
00:46:14,270 --> 00:46:12,000
just things that I had been fascinated

1050
00:46:17,210 --> 00:46:14,280
with since I was a little kid and um

1051
00:46:19,550 --> 00:46:17,220
yeah I was not it was the it's it's

1052
00:46:21,470 --> 00:46:19,560
Darkness like you've never experienced

1053
00:46:23,630 --> 00:46:21,480
right I've been camping in the middle of

1054
00:46:26,150 --> 00:46:23,640
the Gobi desert and this is Darkness

1055
00:46:28,970 --> 00:46:26,160
like I've never ever seen before there's

1056
00:46:30,829 --> 00:46:28,980
there's no just a complete and total

1057
00:46:32,710 --> 00:46:30,839
absence of light and that's only a

1058
00:46:36,109 --> 00:46:32,720
thousand feet down

1059
00:46:39,950 --> 00:46:36,119
how do you how do you is there like

1060
00:46:41,750 --> 00:46:39,960
Xanax involved I mean how I think they

1061
00:46:43,670 --> 00:46:41,760
would have wanted me to be on something

1062
00:46:46,150 --> 00:46:43,680
because I was so excited I was rambling

1063
00:46:48,530 --> 00:46:46,160
and basically unable to speak I was

1064
00:46:50,870 --> 00:46:48,540
unable to speak coherently I was so

1065
00:46:53,390 --> 00:46:50,880
excited but after a couple hours we're

1066
00:46:55,910 --> 00:46:53,400
we're sitting we're laying there and so

1067
00:46:57,470 --> 00:46:55,920
my producers this guy Ben who has been

1068
00:46:59,390 --> 00:46:57,480
everywhere and done everything I mean

1069
00:47:02,030 --> 00:46:59,400
you can't you you can't find a guy who

1070
00:47:04,910 --> 00:47:02,040
has better stories than uh than Ben he's

1071
00:47:07,130 --> 00:47:04,920
been locked up in uh in an Afghan prison

1072
00:47:09,410 --> 00:47:07,140
for breaking into a former Russian uh

1073
00:47:13,670 --> 00:47:09,420
chemical weapons facility with this guy

1074
00:47:17,870 --> 00:47:15,770
and phases him nothing um everything

1075
00:47:19,130 --> 00:47:17,880
just rolls off his back and when we're

1076
00:47:20,510 --> 00:47:19,140
down there for about two hours she just

1077
00:47:23,650 --> 00:47:20,520
poked me in the arm and I looked over

1078
00:47:27,829 --> 00:47:23,660
and he goes Pat this is cool

1079
00:47:30,650 --> 00:47:27,839
wow then I know it's Unique what is I'm

1080
00:47:33,470 --> 00:47:30,660
getting anxiety just thinking about that

1081
00:47:34,490 --> 00:47:33,480
okay so I was watching a movie the other

1082
00:47:38,990 --> 00:47:34,500
day

1083
00:47:42,710 --> 00:47:39,000
and uh uh it doesn't matter some horror

1084
00:47:45,349 --> 00:47:42,720
film Egypt Ghost Inside of these tunnels

1085
00:47:48,290 --> 00:47:45,359
and you know they're going through and

1086
00:47:50,530 --> 00:47:48,300
and and so one and and he goes okay so

1087
00:47:52,970 --> 00:47:50,540
now you gotta crawl through that cave

1088
00:47:54,410 --> 00:47:52,980
and uh you got to do it on your belly

1089
00:47:56,809 --> 00:47:54,420
with your flashlight and I'm watching I

1090
00:47:58,250 --> 00:47:56,819
was like nope I ain't that's it I'm the

1091
00:47:59,990 --> 00:47:58,260
channel

1092
00:48:04,250 --> 00:48:00,000
I can't deal I

1093
00:48:07,250 --> 00:48:04,260
I can't and listening to this right now

1094
00:48:10,609 --> 00:48:07,260
um I I get anxious uh thinking about it

1095
00:48:12,770 --> 00:48:10,619
what's the Escape Plan oh there is none

1096
00:48:14,329 --> 00:48:12,780
there is none no you're dead yeah if

1097
00:48:15,950 --> 00:48:14,339
something goes wrong you're dead and

1098
00:48:17,210 --> 00:48:15,960
that's um but you're not thinking of

1099
00:48:18,410 --> 00:48:17,220
that in the moment I mean you can say

1100
00:48:20,329 --> 00:48:18,420
that about so many different things you

1101
00:48:21,530 --> 00:48:20,339
get on a plane if something goes wrong

1102
00:48:23,630 --> 00:48:21,540
you're dead

1103
00:48:26,750 --> 00:48:23,640
um driving into Boston if something goes

1104
00:48:28,550 --> 00:48:26,760
wrong your dad is we kind of accept this

1105
00:48:30,530 --> 00:48:28,560
level of risk um I'm with you on the

1106
00:48:32,690 --> 00:48:30,540
caving aspect of it I've done a very

1107
00:48:34,790 --> 00:48:32,700
very little bit of caving but once it

1108
00:48:36,290 --> 00:48:34,800
gets to the point where you have to suck

1109
00:48:38,030 --> 00:48:36,300
in and move your chest to the side in

1110
00:48:40,130 --> 00:48:38,040
order to fit through a crevice I don't

1111
00:48:43,130 --> 00:48:40,140
too many things can go wrong there are

1112
00:48:45,410 --> 00:48:43,140
too many things that I I I'm very very

1113
00:48:47,089 --> 00:48:45,420
clumsy and if it's going to be one of

1114
00:48:49,250 --> 00:48:47,099
those things where I move wrong and then

1115
00:48:50,870 --> 00:48:49,260
I have a you know the um what's the

1116
00:48:52,490 --> 00:48:50,880
James Franco movie we actually cut off

1117
00:48:54,770 --> 00:48:52,500
his arm I don't want to be in that

1118
00:48:56,809 --> 00:48:54,780
situation right

1119
00:48:58,910 --> 00:48:56,819
I have a buddy of mine he has a TV show

1120
00:49:02,930 --> 00:48:58,920
called cities of the underworld right oh

1121
00:49:05,630 --> 00:49:02,940
yeah and uh and there was so uh we're

1122
00:49:08,089 --> 00:49:05,640
hanging out anyway so I'm watching you

1123
00:49:10,609 --> 00:49:08,099
know his next episode and I am not

1124
00:49:13,430 --> 00:49:10,619
making this up so he goes

1125
00:49:14,750 --> 00:49:13,440
and he flashes his flashlight and it was

1126
00:49:16,370 --> 00:49:14,760
a crack

1127
00:49:20,030 --> 00:49:16,380
I'm going to say it was about this tall

1128
00:49:24,109 --> 00:49:20,040
but it was flat and wide like 100 yards

1129
00:49:26,990 --> 00:49:24,119
wide and really deep and you know this

1130
00:49:29,690 --> 00:49:27,000
crack in the this rock and he's gonna

1131
00:49:32,510 --> 00:49:29,700
get squeezed into there and then get to

1132
00:49:36,230 --> 00:49:32,520
the other side and it's like 50 yeah you

1133
00:49:40,670 --> 00:49:36,240
can't even see yeah and and he's flat on

1134
00:49:43,250 --> 00:49:40,680
I I don't I don't know how his uh uh

1135
00:49:46,849 --> 00:49:43,260
cameraman or whatever I had to turn it

1136
00:49:49,970 --> 00:49:46,859
off yeah and he's he's on his his back

1137
00:49:52,010 --> 00:49:49,980
is touching the ceiling and he's

1138
00:49:54,230 --> 00:49:52,020
squeezing through I just can't you would

1139
00:49:56,210 --> 00:49:54,240
be okay with that no no I would not

1140
00:49:58,190 --> 00:49:56,220
that's where I would draw I I would not

1141
00:50:01,010 --> 00:49:58,200
be able so it's where it's something

1142
00:50:03,109 --> 00:50:01,020
where if I mess up

1143
00:50:05,210 --> 00:50:03,119
it will cause mine or someone else's

1144
00:50:07,309 --> 00:50:05,220
death I have a big problem with it going

1145
00:50:09,109 --> 00:50:07,319
down in the sub I have no control over

1146
00:50:11,510 --> 00:50:09,119
that I have every faith in this pilot

1147
00:50:13,550 --> 00:50:11,520
he's done it a whole bunch of times I'm

1148
00:50:14,690 --> 00:50:13,560
fine with that I will say though after a

1149
00:50:17,329 --> 00:50:14,700
couple hours

1150
00:50:19,970 --> 00:50:17,339
um we're we're laying there and all of a

1151
00:50:22,010 --> 00:50:19,980
sudden I felt water dripping on my legs

1152
00:50:23,870 --> 00:50:22,020
and Ben felt it at the same time because

1153
00:50:25,849 --> 00:50:23,880
we both looked at each other like you we

1154
00:50:27,050 --> 00:50:25,859
were in you know absolutely enthralled

1155
00:50:29,990 --> 00:50:27,060
just loving this and then we get this

1156
00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:30,000
moment of kind of Terror and um that did

1157
00:50:33,589 --> 00:50:31,920
really freak me out but the pilot knew

1158
00:50:35,510 --> 00:50:33,599
what it was it was just and he he let us

1159
00:50:37,309 --> 00:50:35,520
freak out for a second and he said ah

1160
00:50:39,890 --> 00:50:37,319
it's just condensation it's going up to

1161
00:50:42,710 --> 00:50:39,900
the top it's dripping down on you but

1162
00:50:45,109 --> 00:50:42,720
how long does it take us to surface yeah

1163
00:50:47,630 --> 00:50:45,119
that was he said oh I I just need to

1164
00:50:50,750 --> 00:50:47,640
plug in I'm sorry I just realized my

1165
00:50:52,730 --> 00:50:50,760
plug somehow fell out there we go

1166
00:50:54,829 --> 00:50:52,740
so the pilot said

1167
00:50:56,270 --> 00:50:54,839
um you know he goes what's that like

1168
00:50:58,130 --> 00:50:56,280
just to kind of freak us out and he goes

1169
00:50:59,690 --> 00:50:58,140
I'm just joking because if this thing

1170
00:51:01,970 --> 00:50:59,700
could sprung a leak you'd be dead before

1171
00:51:06,829 --> 00:51:01,980
he even knew it

1172
00:51:09,589 --> 00:51:06,839
what is um it's one thing uh to go a

1173
00:51:11,690 --> 00:51:09,599
thousand feet you know in a in a

1174
00:51:13,849 --> 00:51:11,700
three-man submersible

1175
00:51:15,530 --> 00:51:13,859
um and and then it's a whole nother

1176
00:51:19,010 --> 00:51:15,540
thing altogether to have something like

1177
00:51:23,089 --> 00:51:19,020
Loch Ness you know Lake Champlain and

1178
00:51:24,950 --> 00:51:23,099
and and these these ideas Bigfoot too

1179
00:51:26,390 --> 00:51:24,960
you know we can throw that right in

1180
00:51:34,670 --> 00:51:26,400
there

1181
00:51:36,950 --> 00:51:34,680
surviving in in Loch Ness and and

1182
00:51:39,049 --> 00:51:36,960
remaining undiscovered do you do you

1183
00:51:40,790 --> 00:51:39,059
believe in the Loch Ness monster no I've

1184
00:51:42,650 --> 00:51:40,800
been to Loch Ness and it's gorgeous and

1185
00:51:44,450 --> 00:51:42,660
I would strongly encourage everybody to

1186
00:51:46,190 --> 00:51:44,460
go and get some of the best

1187
00:51:48,950 --> 00:51:46,200
um you know Scotch that you've ever had

1188
00:51:50,750 --> 00:51:48,960
in your life Insider and some amazing

1189
00:51:52,370 --> 00:51:50,760
food and it's it's an absolutely

1190
00:51:54,950 --> 00:51:52,380
beautiful place but no I don't think

1191
00:51:58,130 --> 00:51:54,960
there's anything in there uh bigger than

1192
00:52:00,650 --> 00:51:58,140
salmon and maybe the uh salmon eels and

1193
00:52:01,790 --> 00:52:00,660
uh maybe the occasional seal

1194
00:52:03,349 --> 00:52:01,800
um but but

1195
00:52:04,790 --> 00:52:03,359
I mean I think that that's where we can

1196
00:52:06,890 --> 00:52:04,800
get most of the sightings so the Loch

1197
00:52:08,690 --> 00:52:06,900
Ness um the interesting one of the

1198
00:52:10,910 --> 00:52:08,700
really interesting things are how the

1199
00:52:13,549 --> 00:52:10,920
stories have changed over the years and

1200
00:52:15,349 --> 00:52:13,559
how a lot of the historical sightings of

1201
00:52:17,809 --> 00:52:15,359
the Loch Ness monster

1202
00:52:19,309 --> 00:52:17,819
um if we read them we would never

1203
00:52:20,930 --> 00:52:19,319
recognize it as the same thing that

1204
00:52:22,309 --> 00:52:20,940
people picture as the Loch Ness monster

1205
00:52:24,829 --> 00:52:22,319
you know some of them happen miles

1206
00:52:27,470 --> 00:52:24,839
Inland and they're described as you know

1207
00:52:30,049 --> 00:52:27,480
being like a lion or being like a deer

1208
00:52:31,609 --> 00:52:30,059
or you know and it's nothing like the

1209
00:52:33,650 --> 00:52:31,619
classic kind of image but people still

1210
00:52:35,030 --> 00:52:33,660
attribute them to the Loch Ness monster

1211
00:52:36,770 --> 00:52:35,040
because they happened in the general

1212
00:52:40,309 --> 00:52:36,780
vicinity

1213
00:52:41,870 --> 00:52:40,319
um of Loch Ness so I think that they're

1214
00:52:43,549 --> 00:52:41,880
they're great stories and it's an

1215
00:52:45,829 --> 00:52:43,559
amazing place to be but no I think

1216
00:52:48,470 --> 00:52:45,839
unfortunately um the the final pin in

1217
00:52:50,270 --> 00:52:48,480
that coffin for me is the uh the Edna

1218
00:52:52,549 --> 00:52:50,280
research that they did a couple years

1219
00:52:54,589 --> 00:52:52,559
ago when they showed um you know lots

1220
00:52:57,170 --> 00:52:54,599
and lots of el DNA so some of the

1221
00:52:58,910 --> 00:52:57,180
sightings are probably larger eels that

1222
00:53:00,410 --> 00:52:58,920
people are seeing or a group of eels we

1223
00:53:02,450 --> 00:53:00,420
know that eels will sometimes get

1224
00:53:04,790 --> 00:53:02,460
together into these huge groups that can

1225
00:53:08,089 --> 00:53:04,800
look like one undulating you know animal

1226
00:53:10,910 --> 00:53:08,099
itself so a lot more eel DNA than anyone

1227
00:53:13,510 --> 00:53:10,920
expected and some um some salmon and

1228
00:53:17,450 --> 00:53:13,520
salmon relatives but nothing unexplained

1229
00:53:19,970 --> 00:53:17,460
the other day I did a show on uh mega

1230
00:53:23,030 --> 00:53:19,980
sharks oh yeah yeah Megalodon and yeah

1231
00:53:28,490 --> 00:53:23,040
well a little bit about Megalodon but

1232
00:53:30,829 --> 00:53:28,500
mainly about uh giant sharks and

1233
00:53:33,230 --> 00:53:30,839
um I don't know if Megalodon has

1234
00:53:37,970 --> 00:53:33,240
survived it's possible I I don't know

1235
00:53:41,270 --> 00:53:37,980
but but one thing is for sure and there

1236
00:53:45,470 --> 00:53:41,280
have been measurements of bite marks out

1237
00:53:49,309 --> 00:53:45,480
of whales uh from giant sharks that are

1238
00:53:50,870 --> 00:53:49,319
four foot which uh and there's three

1239
00:53:53,870 --> 00:53:50,880
different locations around the world

1240
00:53:56,450 --> 00:53:53,880
where these bite marks have happened and

1241
00:54:02,390 --> 00:53:56,460
the estimates on these sharks are you

1242
00:54:05,150 --> 00:54:02,400
know up to 40 42 46 feet in length

1243
00:54:09,650 --> 00:54:05,160
um and that those are

1244
00:54:11,390 --> 00:54:09,660
um a giant of uh an exception

1245
00:54:13,609 --> 00:54:11,400
um just like we have tall humans right

1246
00:54:15,710 --> 00:54:13,619
that are nine feet tall

1247
00:54:17,510 --> 00:54:15,720
um and those are the exceptions and not

1248
00:54:20,750 --> 00:54:17,520
the rules but

1249
00:54:25,309 --> 00:54:20,760
um it's certainly uh shows us that we

1250
00:54:28,790 --> 00:54:25,319
have sharks out there that that are you

1251
00:54:31,010 --> 00:54:28,800
know up to 40 feet with a four foot bite

1252
00:54:33,710 --> 00:54:31,020
radius I mean that's crazy isn't it it

1253
00:54:35,270 --> 00:54:33,720
is yeah so I mean I hate to I hate to be

1254
00:54:36,890 --> 00:54:35,280
the you know the wet blanket on anything

1255
00:54:39,410 --> 00:54:36,900
and I'm sure that there are larger

1256
00:54:41,630 --> 00:54:39,420
sharks than we've seen absolutely but

1257
00:54:43,910 --> 00:54:41,640
bite marks are one of those um really

1258
00:54:46,309 --> 00:54:43,920
difficult indicators to really draw

1259
00:54:48,410 --> 00:54:46,319
great conclusions from because it's hard

1260
00:54:50,089 --> 00:54:48,420
to know what angle it came in at and

1261
00:54:51,710 --> 00:54:50,099
it's hard to know if the animal grew

1262
00:54:53,510 --> 00:54:51,720
after the bite or if something else

1263
00:54:55,069 --> 00:54:53,520
stretched the skin or did that so the

1264
00:54:57,650 --> 00:54:55,079
estimates are are that they are

1265
00:54:59,750 --> 00:54:57,660
estimates based on those bites but I'm

1266
00:55:01,069 --> 00:54:59,760
sure that there are very large sharks

1267
00:55:02,510 --> 00:55:01,079
out there bigger than what we've seen

1268
00:55:05,089 --> 00:55:02,520
there's no way that we have seen the

1269
00:55:07,430 --> 00:55:05,099
largest great white yeah that is in the

1270
00:55:10,549 --> 00:55:07,440
oceans you know what uh you know what my

1271
00:55:13,309 --> 00:55:10,559
bite mark argument is though

1272
00:55:15,770 --> 00:55:13,319
um uh you know about growing

1273
00:55:17,809 --> 00:55:15,780
um I got bit by a German shepherd on my

1274
00:55:20,630 --> 00:55:17,819
left knee when I was five years old six

1275
00:55:23,270 --> 00:55:20,640
years old tore my leg up man and these

1276
00:55:26,870 --> 00:55:23,280
two teeth marks right are still right

1277
00:55:28,549 --> 00:55:26,880
there right those haven't grown

1278
00:55:30,290 --> 00:55:28,559
and I had the opposite I had the

1279
00:55:32,089 --> 00:55:30,300
opposite I got bitten by a dog when I

1280
00:55:34,490 --> 00:55:32,099
was younger on my leg too and now it

1281
00:55:35,930 --> 00:55:34,500
looks like it was you know a Cujo that

1282
00:55:36,849 --> 00:55:35,940
attacked me and really it was a skipper

1283
00:55:39,049 --> 00:55:36,859
key

1284
00:55:41,569 --> 00:55:39,059
you know you know the little black uh

1285
00:55:43,130 --> 00:55:41,579
fox dogs little schipper key yeah really

1286
00:55:44,870 --> 00:55:43,140
really yeah I think it depends on the

1287
00:55:46,849 --> 00:55:44,880
bite depends on the individual depends

1288
00:55:48,530 --> 00:55:46,859
on the the angle that it came in at and

1289
00:55:51,589 --> 00:55:48,540
what you know how many layers it got

1290
00:55:53,809 --> 00:55:51,599
through and all that so yeah yeah no I'm

1291
00:55:56,270 --> 00:55:53,819
not talking about bite marks in the skin

1292
00:56:00,290 --> 00:55:56,280
I'm talking about chunks of chunks out

1293
00:56:02,870 --> 00:56:00,300
of them yeah yeah yeah so you can see

1294
00:56:06,950 --> 00:56:02,880
the other bite marks that are smaller

1295
00:56:08,450 --> 00:56:06,960
right and then anyway my point being

1296
00:56:11,569 --> 00:56:08,460
though

1297
00:56:14,750 --> 00:56:11,579
um that there are some ginormous things

1298
00:56:17,990 --> 00:56:14,760
that are swimming around this ocean and

1299
00:56:21,109 --> 00:56:18,000
when we look at the ID and the science

1300
00:56:22,790 --> 00:56:21,119
behind cryptozoology we have we have to

1301
00:56:24,829 --> 00:56:22,800
keep an open mind with this we

1302
00:56:27,530 --> 00:56:24,839
absolutely everything is so unexplored

1303
00:56:31,609 --> 00:56:27,540
look at mega mouth sharks so megamouth

1304
00:56:33,650 --> 00:56:31,619
sharks were only found in the 70s and I

1305
00:56:35,569 --> 00:56:33,660
believe we've only found a dozen of them

1306
00:56:38,990 --> 00:56:35,579
and it's it's one of the largest species

1307
00:56:40,910 --> 00:56:39,000
of uh of fish in the ocean I mean once

1308
00:56:43,549 --> 00:56:40,920
right sorry

1309
00:56:45,410 --> 00:56:43,559
filmed once yeah yeah I mean it's

1310
00:56:48,410 --> 00:56:45,420
absolutely remarkable and think about

1311
00:56:50,390 --> 00:56:48,420
oarfish I mean oarfish you people say up

1312
00:56:52,970 --> 00:56:50,400
to 60 feet long people say up to 40 feet

1313
00:56:55,490 --> 00:56:52,980
long you know either way it's a giant

1314
00:56:58,130 --> 00:56:55,500
animal I was able to do an MRI scan on

1315
00:57:00,790 --> 00:56:58,140
on an oarfish but um this is something

1316
00:57:04,609 --> 00:57:00,800
that up until

1317
00:57:07,190 --> 00:57:04,619
2017 something 16 17. um no one had

1318
00:57:09,109 --> 00:57:07,200
filmed one in uh in it you know in its

1319
00:57:10,790 --> 00:57:09,119
natural habitat before and now you know

1320
00:57:13,670 --> 00:57:10,800
we've had less than five that have ever

1321
00:57:16,130 --> 00:57:13,680
been filmed and these are you know they

1322
00:57:17,870 --> 00:57:16,140
theoretically live all over the world in

1323
00:57:19,490 --> 00:57:17,880
the just the open ocean

1324
00:57:20,870 --> 00:57:19,500
I mean we know we know very little about

1325
00:57:23,930 --> 00:57:20,880
the deep sea but we know very little

1326
00:57:25,910 --> 00:57:23,940
about the um just the open ocean as well

1327
00:57:27,770 --> 00:57:25,920
our guest tonight is Pat Spain Pat we're

1328
00:57:30,049 --> 00:57:27,780
going to take a quick break right here

1329
00:57:32,750 --> 00:57:30,059
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1330
00:57:34,849 --> 00:57:32,760
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1331
00:57:36,589 --> 00:57:34,859
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1332
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1333
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all right Welcome Back Fade to Black I'm

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your assuming church tonight Pats I I

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01:01:46,510 --> 01:01:43,980
almost did it again I almost did it

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01:01:52,069 --> 01:01:46,520
again it's all right

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01:01:55,990 --> 01:01:52,079
okay uh Pat Spain's with us uh Pat Uh

1433
01:02:00,109 --> 01:01:56,000
yeah he sees the guitars and he goes

1434
01:02:02,450 --> 01:02:00,119
by the way Pat every guest that I have

1435
01:02:03,950 --> 01:02:02,460
on the show they look at the guitars you

1436
01:02:06,410 --> 01:02:03,960
know you know the first thing they say

1437
01:02:09,770 --> 01:02:06,420
what's that I was in abandoned high

1438
01:02:12,230 --> 01:02:09,780
school well oh yeah I was in abandoned

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01:02:14,510 --> 01:02:12,240
high school and and Pam was in a punk

1440
01:02:16,569 --> 01:02:14,520
band played Ace I was yeah Basin

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01:02:18,289 --> 01:02:16,579
screaming

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01:02:20,870 --> 01:02:18,299
okay

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01:02:22,549 --> 01:02:20,880
um before we move on uh to Bigfoot and

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01:02:27,650 --> 01:02:22,559
cryptozoology

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01:02:30,890 --> 01:02:27,660
um who is I'm I'm going to uh I'm I'm

1446
01:02:33,849 --> 01:02:30,900
gonna have mine ready to go who is the

1447
01:02:36,950 --> 01:02:33,859
greatest Punk bass player of all time

1448
01:02:39,890 --> 01:02:36,960
Matt Freeman Matt Freeman from rancid no

1449
01:02:42,829 --> 01:02:39,900
doubt really oh yeah oh yeah you listen

1450
01:02:44,510 --> 01:02:42,839
to Maxwell murder there's no one no one

1451
01:02:47,150 --> 01:02:44,520
I don't think anyone could hold a candle

1452
01:02:48,109 --> 01:02:47,160
to him okay

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01:02:51,109 --> 01:02:48,119
um

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01:02:56,150 --> 01:02:51,119
uh uh

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01:03:00,170 --> 01:02:56,160
I'm I'm gonna go with uh man oh God it's

1456
01:03:02,450 --> 01:03:00,180
it's it's it's it's it's a tough one

1457
01:03:04,370 --> 01:03:02,460
um I'm gonna go with hold on hold on for

1458
01:03:09,049 --> 01:03:04,380
a second no I just had a second thought

1459
01:03:10,089 --> 01:03:09,059
I just had a second thought here

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01:03:15,049 --> 01:03:10,099
um

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01:03:17,809 --> 01:03:15,059
I just had a second thought and I am

1462
01:03:21,829 --> 01:03:17,819
going to

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01:03:26,870 --> 01:03:21,839
uh uh just just stay with me yeah no

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01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:31,190
I'm gonna go with

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01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:36,289
man I can see ah

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01:03:41,289 --> 01:03:39,309
okay this is

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01:03:45,589 --> 01:03:41,299
for

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01:03:46,309 --> 01:03:45,599
aesthetic reasons all right Mike Dern oh

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01:03:53,089 --> 01:03:46,319
yeah

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01:03:56,030 --> 01:03:53,099
when he hikes up one foot on the monitor

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01:03:59,990 --> 01:03:56,040
oh yeah you know what I mean he looks he

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01:04:02,470 --> 01:04:00,000
he he is the the image of the punk basis

1473
01:04:05,569 --> 01:04:02,480
for sure absolutely oh yeah

1474
01:04:08,690 --> 01:04:05,579
of it yeah he's player for Green Day

1475
01:04:10,490 --> 01:04:08,700
yeah and uh everybody and so I was gonna

1476
01:04:14,150 --> 01:04:10,500
go in a couple of directions but I went

1477
01:04:15,530 --> 01:04:14,160
he just popped in my head and uh throw

1478
01:04:17,329 --> 01:04:15,540
the descendants out there and I think

1479
01:04:20,630 --> 01:04:17,339
they're amazing they're great uh but

1480
01:04:22,849 --> 01:04:20,640
yeah Matt Freeman he is wow yeah yeah

1481
01:04:24,950 --> 01:04:22,859
and I that you're right about that

1482
01:04:29,030 --> 01:04:24,960
though man Ransom was such a good band

1483
01:04:30,890 --> 01:04:29,040
it is new album just came out this week

1484
01:04:33,589 --> 01:04:30,900
yes that's right that's right that's

1485
01:04:35,390 --> 01:04:33,599
right yeah wow that's wild

1486
01:04:40,190 --> 01:04:35,400
um to

1487
01:04:43,309 --> 01:04:40,200
um the the world okay this is how uh

1488
01:04:46,789 --> 01:04:43,319
fascinating it is about connecting the

1489
01:04:51,170 --> 01:04:46,799
dots when you have somebody like Tom

1490
01:04:54,890 --> 01:04:51,180
Delong and Blink 182 oh yeah okay and

1491
01:04:58,430 --> 01:04:54,900
the success of all of that and then for

1492
01:05:00,289 --> 01:04:58,440
him to walk away from blink into the

1493
01:05:04,549 --> 01:05:00,299
world of UFOs

1494
01:05:08,750 --> 01:05:04,559
and jump in feet first right where I

1495
01:05:12,230 --> 01:05:08,760
think that musicians in General and in

1496
01:05:13,549 --> 01:05:12,240
this case Punk musicians but but uh well

1497
01:05:16,430 --> 01:05:13,559
you can call him more like commercial

1498
01:05:18,530 --> 01:05:16,440
Punk but anyway I mean they they you

1499
01:05:20,150 --> 01:05:18,540
know they were schooled by Pennywise and

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01:05:22,730 --> 01:05:20,160
I came up through the ranks with no

1501
01:05:24,289 --> 01:05:22,740
effects there yeah yeah I won't I won't

1502
01:05:27,289 --> 01:05:24,299
hold anything against blink I think they

1503
01:05:30,109 --> 01:05:27,299
did a great job you know what every song

1504
01:05:34,010 --> 01:05:30,119
that they ever did was a toe Tapper yeah

1505
01:05:37,490 --> 01:05:34,020
absolutely agree yeah yeah to write

1506
01:05:39,710 --> 01:05:37,500
courses that you know that's a it's a

1507
01:05:41,809 --> 01:05:39,720
tough thing man and it's a whole other

1508
01:05:42,910 --> 01:05:41,819
thing to write stuff that the whole

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01:05:45,829 --> 01:05:42,920
world

1510
01:05:49,130 --> 01:05:45,839
understands absolutely that's what blink

1511
01:05:51,890 --> 01:05:49,140
did but uh musicians have an open mind

1512
01:05:56,569 --> 01:05:51,900
when it comes to this stuff and and

1513
01:05:58,609 --> 01:05:56,579
there's an attraction there uh uh

1514
01:06:00,230 --> 01:05:58,619
um you have to be able to get into the

1515
01:06:03,710 --> 01:06:00,240
zone and that's where consciousness

1516
01:06:06,530 --> 01:06:03,720
comes in meditation comes in I think E.T

1517
01:06:08,870 --> 01:06:06,540
and then cryptozoology and ghosts and

1518
01:06:11,329 --> 01:06:08,880
life after death I think musicians

1519
01:06:13,309 --> 01:06:11,339
understand this uh better than most

1520
01:06:15,770 --> 01:06:13,319
don't you yeah you you've been on tour

1521
01:06:18,109 --> 01:06:15,780
you see weird stuff when you're on tour

1522
01:06:19,730 --> 01:06:18,119
you see things that most people don't

1523
01:06:21,710 --> 01:06:19,740
see you experience things that most

1524
01:06:24,109 --> 01:06:21,720
people don't see when you're up on stage

1525
01:06:26,569 --> 01:06:24,119
it's an experience it's something you

1526
01:06:27,829 --> 01:06:26,579
know to you're interacting with a huge

1527
01:06:29,390 --> 01:06:27,839
crowd with a huge group of people

1528
01:06:31,430 --> 01:06:29,400
there's it's not the same as having a

1529
01:06:33,049 --> 01:06:31,440
one-on-one conversation or even being in

1530
01:06:34,430 --> 01:06:33,059
a group and having a large conversation

1531
01:06:37,370 --> 01:06:34,440
it's a completely different thing and

1532
01:06:39,349 --> 01:06:37,380
you do experience a different aspect of

1533
01:06:41,809 --> 01:06:39,359
humanity than I think most people get

1534
01:06:45,109 --> 01:06:41,819
the chance to so I think part of that

1535
01:06:46,910 --> 01:06:45,119
does open your mind to other things to

1536
01:06:49,670 --> 01:06:46,920
other things that people haven't a lot

1537
01:06:51,410 --> 01:06:49,680
of people haven't experienced when you

1538
01:06:53,930 --> 01:06:51,420
um when you enter into the

1539
01:06:56,870 --> 01:06:53,940
classification of cryptozoologists and

1540
01:06:59,990 --> 01:06:56,880
then you have the the educated crowd out

1541
01:07:02,630 --> 01:07:00,000
there too as well that will now say ah

1542
01:07:05,630 --> 01:07:02,640
he's Fringe yeah man I can't take that

1543
01:07:07,430 --> 01:07:05,640
guy serious now right right

1544
01:07:10,309 --> 01:07:07,440
um what's your definition of a

1545
01:07:13,430 --> 01:07:10,319
cryptozoologist yeah so I don't think it

1546
01:07:15,069 --> 01:07:13,440
really differs very much from biology I

1547
01:07:17,510 --> 01:07:15,079
mean all biologists are a

1548
01:07:19,309 --> 01:07:17,520
cryptozoologists I think I think Darren

1549
01:07:21,770 --> 01:07:19,319
Nash really puts it best

1550
01:07:24,049 --> 01:07:21,780
um where he says cryptozoology is a mix

1551
01:07:26,270 --> 01:07:24,059
of biology and anthropology

1552
01:07:28,910 --> 01:07:26,280
and I think that that's the perfect way

1553
01:07:30,950 --> 01:07:28,920
to say it is that um cryptozoology is

1554
01:07:32,510 --> 01:07:30,960
biology but there's there's a little bit

1555
01:07:34,730 --> 01:07:32,520
of cultural anthropology and a little

1556
01:07:38,029 --> 01:07:34,740
bit of Mythology and a little bit of

1557
01:07:41,029 --> 01:07:38,039
um looking into different uh belief

1558
01:07:42,950 --> 01:07:41,039
systems as well kind of thrown into the

1559
01:07:45,950 --> 01:07:42,960
the biological mix but at the end of the

1560
01:07:47,210 --> 01:07:45,960
day it just is biology I mean when we're

1561
01:07:49,970 --> 01:07:47,220
talking about undiscovered creatures

1562
01:07:53,450 --> 01:07:49,980
sure sure and then uh but you're gonna

1563
01:07:54,589 --> 01:07:53,460
have some biologists uh uh look at you

1564
01:07:57,109 --> 01:07:54,599
and go

1565
01:07:59,270 --> 01:07:57,119
you're just looking for chupacabra

1566
01:08:01,250 --> 01:07:59,280
yeah but yeah I mean there there's

1567
01:08:02,630 --> 01:08:01,260
always the naysayers there's always the

1568
01:08:04,490 --> 01:08:02,640
people in everything that you know they

1569
01:08:06,529 --> 01:08:04,500
they want everything to be neat and tidy

1570
01:08:10,190 --> 01:08:06,539
in the world isn't Earth isn't neat and

1571
01:08:13,190 --> 01:08:10,200
tidy when I was uh 11 12 something like

1572
01:08:15,950 --> 01:08:13,200
that I found a a cottonmouth snake about

1573
01:08:17,990 --> 01:08:15,960
200 miles north of their accepted range

1574
01:08:19,729 --> 01:08:18,000
and nobody believed me no one thought

1575
01:08:21,950 --> 01:08:19,739
and I brought it to a herpetologist and

1576
01:08:24,110 --> 01:08:21,960
showed it to me he went oh you got one

1577
01:08:25,430 --> 01:08:24,120
that's a water moccasin right there and

1578
01:08:28,490 --> 01:08:25,440
then they accuse me of bringing it up

1579
01:08:30,650 --> 01:08:28,500
from New York City of course so so I

1580
01:08:32,510 --> 01:08:30,660
mean the animals don't fit into the neat

1581
01:08:33,289 --> 01:08:32,520
and tidy boxes that we want them to fit

1582
01:08:40,070 --> 01:08:33,299
in

1583
01:08:41,450 --> 01:08:40,080
know it all or that we found it all or

1584
01:08:43,490 --> 01:08:41,460
that something isn't going to come up

1585
01:08:46,370 --> 01:08:43,500
and completely blow up our understanding

1586
01:08:48,650 --> 01:08:46,380
of uh of what we thought we knew about

1587
01:08:50,110 --> 01:08:48,660
these animals well what so what are you

1588
01:08:54,410 --> 01:08:50,120
in search of

1589
01:08:56,630 --> 01:08:54,420
uh in in regards to cryptozoology oh

1590
01:08:59,090 --> 01:08:56,640
yeah I mean you've got to have a list

1591
01:09:00,769 --> 01:08:59,100
you've got to have a whole list yeah so

1592
01:09:03,410 --> 01:09:00,779
I did a show on the National Geographic

1593
01:09:04,849 --> 01:09:03,420
Channel called Beast Hunter and um I

1594
01:09:07,010 --> 01:09:04,859
worked with the production company icon

1595
01:09:10,010 --> 01:09:07,020
films who I I love they were the best

1596
01:09:11,689 --> 01:09:10,020
production company in the world and uh I

1597
01:09:13,370 --> 01:09:11,699
gave them my list these are the things

1598
01:09:16,249 --> 01:09:13,380
that I'm the most interested in that we

1599
01:09:19,189 --> 01:09:16,259
kind of took that and paired it down to

1600
01:09:21,110 --> 01:09:19,199
uh 10 that were you know the ones that

1601
01:09:22,669 --> 01:09:21,120
would be the most aesthetically pleasing

1602
01:09:23,809 --> 01:09:22,679
for the audience and the ones that would

1603
01:09:25,910 --> 01:09:23,819
be the most interesting and then

1604
01:09:27,890 --> 01:09:25,920
presented that to Nat Geo and they

1605
01:09:29,329 --> 01:09:27,900
picked the five of those that they were

1606
01:09:31,789 --> 01:09:29,339
the most interested in to get the five

1607
01:09:34,490 --> 01:09:31,799
episodes of Beast Hunter but oh yeah on

1608
01:09:37,130 --> 01:09:34,500
my list I mean some of them are are less

1609
01:09:39,410 --> 01:09:37,140
exciting I think to um mainstream like I

1610
01:09:42,289 --> 01:09:39,420
would love to go looking for thylacines

1611
01:09:44,510 --> 01:09:42,299
you know just a Tasmanian tiger that uh

1612
01:09:47,450 --> 01:09:44,520
that we know were there um you know

1613
01:09:48,709 --> 01:09:47,460
accepted up until the 1920s but

1614
01:09:50,990 --> 01:09:48,719
um you know I think that there's still

1615
01:09:52,490 --> 01:09:51,000
some remnant uh population of them

1616
01:09:55,010 --> 01:09:52,500
around I think there's enough pretty

1617
01:09:57,050 --> 01:09:55,020
good sightings and evidence

1618
01:09:58,910 --> 01:09:57,060
um and now with Edna technology I think

1619
01:10:01,610 --> 01:09:58,920
we'd have a good chance of finding them

1620
01:10:04,370 --> 01:10:01,620
um a ring pin deck the the hair the

1621
01:10:06,470 --> 01:10:04,380
little Bigfoot of Sumatra I think was

1622
01:10:08,090 --> 01:10:06,480
either there very very recently or

1623
01:10:09,470 --> 01:10:08,100
there's still a good chance that they

1624
01:10:11,209 --> 01:10:09,480
are

1625
01:10:12,709 --> 01:10:11,219
um I think that Lauren Coleman gets it

1626
01:10:14,810 --> 01:10:12,719
right when he says that a ring pin deck

1627
01:10:18,050 --> 01:10:14,820
is probably two distinct species one

1628
01:10:19,790 --> 01:10:18,060
more gibbon-like and one more hominid

1629
01:10:21,530 --> 01:10:19,800
um and the gibbon-like one I think is

1630
01:10:24,350 --> 01:10:21,540
the one that we're more likely to to

1631
01:10:26,090 --> 01:10:24,360
come across but yeah I think if they're

1632
01:10:29,090 --> 01:10:26,100
not still there then they were very very

1633
01:10:30,950 --> 01:10:29,100
recently and um Dr Mike morewood who's

1634
01:10:34,729 --> 01:10:30,960
the the gentleman that first described

1635
01:10:36,290 --> 01:10:34,739
homo floresiensis he told me as much

1636
01:10:38,510 --> 01:10:36,300
that he believed that they were there

1637
01:10:42,229 --> 01:10:38,520
until that floresiensis was there until

1638
01:10:45,590 --> 01:10:42,239
at least the 1920s which is mind-blowing

1639
01:10:46,850 --> 01:10:45,600
so on one of the islands of Indonesia

1640
01:10:48,950 --> 01:10:46,860
um I think we'd still have a pretty good

1641
01:10:51,890 --> 01:10:48,960
chance at those uh anything in the deep

1642
01:10:53,209 --> 01:10:51,900
ocean you know new species of squid uh

1643
01:10:55,010 --> 01:10:53,219
fascinate me I keep on coming back to

1644
01:10:57,649 --> 01:10:55,020
squib that's my that's that's the real

1645
01:10:59,209 --> 01:10:57,659
passion um ever since I was little and I

1646
01:11:01,070 --> 01:10:59,219
think that we could find something yeah

1647
01:11:03,709 --> 01:11:01,080
yeah you know I don't think you know

1648
01:11:06,590 --> 01:11:03,719
Sailors love to tell their stories right

1649
01:11:09,649 --> 01:11:06,600
and so I I'm not so sure if mermaids are

1650
01:11:12,229 --> 01:11:09,659
real maybe maybe it's a possibility but

1651
01:11:15,229 --> 01:11:12,239
uh these stories of giant squids

1652
01:11:17,209 --> 01:11:15,239
swallowing ships and you know and and

1653
01:11:21,050 --> 01:11:17,219
these tales of the ocean over the years

1654
01:11:23,390 --> 01:11:21,060
I think they're that far-fetched no no I

1655
01:11:25,850 --> 01:11:23,400
mean we we've found giant squid and

1656
01:11:27,470 --> 01:11:25,860
colossal squid and uh there are

1657
01:11:28,669 --> 01:11:27,480
certainly other ones left to be

1658
01:11:31,370 --> 01:11:28,679
discovered

1659
01:11:32,630 --> 01:11:31,380
and we're talking big oh yeah yeah I

1660
01:11:35,390 --> 01:11:32,640
mean we're talking more than 40 feet

1661
01:11:39,530 --> 01:11:35,400
yeah yeah we're talking big

1662
01:11:42,950 --> 01:11:39,540
um the uh uh the news I I didn't I

1663
01:11:47,390 --> 01:11:42,960
didn't know this until uh a few years

1664
01:11:50,870 --> 01:11:47,400
ago it's a mind-blowing fact that uh the

1665
01:11:53,270 --> 01:11:50,880
woolly mammoth existed up until four or

1666
01:11:55,250 --> 01:11:53,280
five thousand years ago and uh has been

1667
01:11:56,689 --> 01:11:55,260
found on different islands in in

1668
01:11:59,689 --> 01:11:56,699
Northern Canada

1669
01:12:03,830 --> 01:11:59,699
that's that's that's crazy town that's

1670
01:12:08,450 --> 01:12:03,840
that's it doesn't fit and it survived

1671
01:12:11,110 --> 01:12:08,460
whatever went down uh uh the last ice

1672
01:12:14,149 --> 01:12:11,120
age you know 12 000 years ago and before

1673
01:12:16,310 --> 01:12:14,159
that actually you know was was living

1674
01:12:19,070 --> 01:12:16,320
and walking living breathing creature

1675
01:12:20,689 --> 01:12:19,080
just 5 000 short years ago yeah I mean

1676
01:12:22,310 --> 01:12:20,699
they think that woolly mammoths might be

1677
01:12:24,290 --> 01:12:22,320
one of the first

1678
01:12:26,270 --> 01:12:24,300
um species that was wiped out by humans

1679
01:12:29,649 --> 01:12:26,280
by modern day humans

1680
01:12:31,970 --> 01:12:29,659
it's crazy oh yeah yeah I mean Australia

1681
01:12:33,229 --> 01:12:31,980
Megalania was probably wiped out by

1682
01:12:35,810 --> 01:12:33,239
humans

1683
01:12:37,850 --> 01:12:35,820
um there's there's some other you know a

1684
01:12:39,890 --> 01:12:37,860
lot of the large fauna um that we think

1685
01:12:41,810 --> 01:12:39,900
of I think giant ground sloths there's

1686
01:12:44,090 --> 01:12:41,820
still a pretty good chance I think that

1687
01:12:45,590 --> 01:12:44,100
there's still some down in Brazil

1688
01:12:49,490 --> 01:12:45,600
now

1689
01:12:52,370 --> 01:12:49,500
um I love talking about UFOs and it

1690
01:12:55,010 --> 01:12:52,380
certainly it's dominating uh ET contact

1691
01:12:57,770 --> 01:12:55,020
is dominating the media these days and

1692
01:13:01,370 --> 01:12:57,780
and I I never thought we would be at

1693
01:13:05,149 --> 01:13:01,380
this point but as big as the UFO

1694
01:13:07,430 --> 01:13:05,159
community may seem to me right and and

1695
01:13:09,590 --> 01:13:07,440
I'm a voice of that community and I like

1696
01:13:10,729 --> 01:13:09,600
my position in that Community all of

1697
01:13:14,390 --> 01:13:10,739
that is great

1698
01:13:16,790 --> 01:13:14,400
but it's small compared to the Bigfoot

1699
01:13:20,830 --> 01:13:16,800
Community absolutely Bigfoot Community

1700
01:13:23,990 --> 01:13:20,840
is giant well ginormous

1701
01:13:27,590 --> 01:13:24,000
but but it's really true isn't it I mean

1702
01:13:31,910 --> 01:13:27,600
Bigfoot is a whole other situation uh

1703
01:13:35,510 --> 01:13:31,920
than ET and UFOs when it comes to uh the

1704
01:13:38,510 --> 01:13:35,520
search of and experiences with and

1705
01:13:40,790 --> 01:13:38,520
sightings of yeah I mean Cliff brackman

1706
01:13:43,610 --> 01:13:40,800
is a friend he's an amazing guy from uh

1707
01:13:45,770 --> 01:13:43,620
from Finding Bigfoot and I think that

1708
01:13:47,630 --> 01:13:45,780
show did a huge amount to popularize it

1709
01:13:50,390 --> 01:13:47,640
and to to get people out there but I

1710
01:13:53,870 --> 01:13:50,400
think also it's just um it's something

1711
01:13:57,169 --> 01:13:53,880
about it's almost representative of a uh

1712
01:13:58,910 --> 01:13:57,179
of a still Wild America and you know the

1713
01:14:00,890 --> 01:13:58,920
the chance to get out there and to find

1714
01:14:02,689 --> 01:14:00,900
something to find something new and to

1715
01:14:05,270 --> 01:14:02,699
still discover something that's uh

1716
01:14:07,370 --> 01:14:05,280
that's that big and that impressive in a

1717
01:14:09,110 --> 01:14:07,380
country that we think of as so developed

1718
01:14:11,450 --> 01:14:09,120
which it really isn't I mean when you go

1719
01:14:14,030 --> 01:14:11,460
out west you go out to Montana and you

1720
01:14:15,770 --> 01:14:14,040
know Wyoming and way up in you know

1721
01:14:17,390 --> 01:14:15,780
Idaho and uh

1722
01:14:19,669 --> 01:14:17,400
kind of all over the Pacific Northwest

1723
01:14:21,950 --> 01:14:19,679
there's still a lot of very very wild

1724
01:14:23,510 --> 01:14:21,960
places left in this country that you

1725
01:14:27,290 --> 01:14:23,520
know on the East Coast we don't often

1726
01:14:29,810 --> 01:14:27,300
think about no we don't and until you

1727
01:14:32,149 --> 01:14:29,820
experience the Pacific Northwest

1728
01:14:33,410 --> 01:14:32,159
because you can look at you can drive in

1729
01:14:35,510 --> 01:14:33,420
your car

1730
01:14:36,950 --> 01:14:35,520
fly in a plane and look out the window

1731
01:14:40,910 --> 01:14:36,960
and go

1732
01:14:46,550 --> 01:14:40,920
no human has ever walked there ever yeah

1733
01:14:49,130 --> 01:14:46,560
did ever I mean yeah it is large uh

1734
01:14:52,070 --> 01:14:49,140
forested I spent a lot of time in

1735
01:14:56,870 --> 01:14:52,080
Northern California in the Redwoods

1736
01:14:59,990 --> 01:14:56,880
um it is crazy remote and wild

1737
01:15:02,810 --> 01:15:00,000
um humans have no dominance that no

1738
01:15:05,810 --> 01:15:02,820
that's mother nature for sure

1739
01:15:08,149 --> 01:15:05,820
um what's uh what do you think where

1740
01:15:10,610 --> 01:15:08,159
where are you on the fence with Bigfoot

1741
01:15:13,370 --> 01:15:10,620
exactly as you said on the fence

1742
01:15:14,510 --> 01:15:13,380
um I I am on the fence so I think I have

1743
01:15:17,030 --> 01:15:14,520
a huge amount of respect for Jeff

1744
01:15:18,890 --> 01:15:17,040
Meldrum and uh for for some of the other

1745
01:15:21,890 --> 01:15:18,900
researchers that describe the you know

1746
01:15:23,930 --> 01:15:21,900
the foot patterns and the the some of

1747
01:15:25,970 --> 01:15:23,940
the some of the um

1748
01:15:27,649 --> 01:15:25,980
marks that have been found you know the

1749
01:15:30,649 --> 01:15:27,659
ridge lines and everything and you can

1750
01:15:33,709 --> 01:15:30,659
see the the prints on the toes

1751
01:15:35,030 --> 01:15:33,719
um I'm sorry the dermal ridges on the

1752
01:15:36,470 --> 01:15:35,040
feet

1753
01:15:38,810 --> 01:15:36,480
um

1754
01:15:40,070 --> 01:15:38,820
yeah and then I just look at the Patty

1755
01:15:42,169 --> 01:15:40,080
footage I mean I look at the Patterson

1756
01:15:44,209 --> 01:15:42,179
gimlin footage and I still go back to

1757
01:15:47,390 --> 01:15:44,219
that and I cannot explain that it

1758
01:15:49,790 --> 01:15:47,400
doesn't it just doesn't feel like a

1759
01:15:51,790 --> 01:15:49,800
person in a suit to me it does feel like

1760
01:15:54,709 --> 01:15:51,800
you are looking at an unknown creature

1761
01:15:58,370 --> 01:15:54,719
and uh or an undescribed

1762
01:16:01,149 --> 01:15:58,380
um creature so I would not write it off

1763
01:16:03,890 --> 01:16:01,159
I think every year that goes by without

1764
01:16:06,950 --> 01:16:03,900
stronger evidence it makes it harder and

1765
01:16:09,110 --> 01:16:06,960
harder to say definitively that there is

1766
01:16:11,450 --> 01:16:09,120
uh that there is a creature Behind These

1767
01:16:13,070 --> 01:16:11,460
but was there at some point

1768
01:16:16,370 --> 01:16:13,080
um I'd have an easier time saying that

1769
01:16:17,990 --> 01:16:16,380
there was than there is but I'm still on

1770
01:16:21,470 --> 01:16:18,000
the fence with it I haven't seen I

1771
01:16:23,149 --> 01:16:21,480
haven't seen definitive evidence

1772
01:16:26,330 --> 01:16:23,159
um you know I've seen a lot of DNA

1773
01:16:28,610 --> 01:16:26,340
samples that come back as unknown or

1774
01:16:30,530 --> 01:16:28,620
contaminated but nothing really that

1775
01:16:31,970 --> 01:16:30,540
comes back and points to you know all of

1776
01:16:34,250 --> 01:16:31,980
these are coming back as the same

1777
01:16:39,290 --> 01:16:34,260
unknown or this is all coming back as

1778
01:16:43,850 --> 01:16:39,300
you know a on identified creature so I

1779
01:16:47,510 --> 01:16:43,860
if the UFO Community had a piece of

1780
01:16:50,149 --> 01:16:47,520
footage that was as definitive as the

1781
01:16:51,229 --> 01:16:50,159
Patterson gimlin film it would be case

1782
01:16:52,370 --> 01:16:51,239
close

1783
01:16:55,490 --> 01:16:52,380
done

1784
01:16:57,709 --> 01:16:55,500
and but yet and you just said it

1785
01:17:00,290 --> 01:16:57,719
yourself right you watch the Patterson

1786
01:17:03,050 --> 01:17:00,300
gimlin film but you're still on the

1787
01:17:06,110 --> 01:17:03,060
fence it doesn't

1788
01:17:09,470 --> 01:17:06,120
because I I think it's because I'm the

1789
01:17:12,229 --> 01:17:09,480
same as you Pat I'm the exact I have

1790
01:17:14,870 --> 01:17:12,239
said the exact same words that you have

1791
01:17:17,570 --> 01:17:14,880
just spoken and it sounds hypocritical

1792
01:17:19,310 --> 01:17:17,580
it sounds paradoxical

1793
01:17:21,709 --> 01:17:19,320
um we're not listening to our own

1794
01:17:24,350 --> 01:17:21,719
statements when we say these things but

1795
01:17:25,310 --> 01:17:24,360
yet we say them the footage isn't

1796
01:17:28,970 --> 01:17:25,320
perfect

1797
01:17:31,430 --> 01:17:28,980
and it leaves a lot of questions in your

1798
01:17:33,169 --> 01:17:31,440
mind and those there are logical answers

1799
01:17:35,330 --> 01:17:33,179
to those questions and I've heard those

1800
01:17:37,550 --> 01:17:35,340
answers you know it's why why do we only

1801
01:17:39,729 --> 01:17:37,560
have these few seconds why does it cut

1802
01:17:42,229 --> 01:17:39,739
away just when it walks off frame why

1803
01:17:44,030 --> 01:17:42,239
and you're left with these questions and

1804
01:17:46,970 --> 01:17:44,040
it's you know the person who filmed it

1805
01:17:49,610 --> 01:17:46,980
was was afraid the person who filmed it

1806
01:17:51,050 --> 01:17:49,620
was on you know a a an old handheld

1807
01:17:52,490 --> 01:17:51,060
camera that you know this this kind of

1808
01:17:54,950 --> 01:17:52,500
shakiness they didn't have that much

1809
01:17:56,870 --> 01:17:54,960
film left uh there are all answers to

1810
01:18:00,110 --> 01:17:56,880
these questions but it still leaves

1811
01:18:02,450 --> 01:18:00,120
something to be desired like it's not I

1812
01:18:04,430 --> 01:18:02,460
am because it's not a body it's a damn

1813
01:18:06,709 --> 01:18:04,440
good piece of footage it is it is it's

1814
01:18:09,709 --> 01:18:06,719
the best that we've got absolutely it's

1815
01:18:11,810 --> 01:18:09,719
crazy and okay you know what okay let me

1816
01:18:14,930 --> 01:18:11,820
ask you this let me tell you what does

1817
01:18:18,649 --> 01:18:14,940
it for me in the film all right the

1818
01:18:21,110 --> 01:18:18,659
boobs yeah yeah why why would someone

1819
01:18:25,250 --> 01:18:21,120
who was putting in a hoax have added

1820
01:18:30,050 --> 01:18:25,260
that not only at added perfect right

1821
01:18:33,350 --> 01:18:30,060
right I mean it's the movement it's the

1822
01:18:37,490 --> 01:18:33,360
um and and there is Lance back every

1823
01:18:39,830 --> 01:18:37,500
aspect of it every part of it is it it

1824
01:18:41,450 --> 01:18:39,840
just it it doesn't seem like a person in

1825
01:18:43,370 --> 01:18:41,460
a suit that's all that it is and it's

1826
01:18:45,830 --> 01:18:43,380
it's harder it's it's very hard to

1827
01:18:49,450 --> 01:18:45,840
quantify beyond that yeah and and and

1828
01:18:52,850 --> 01:18:49,460
the muscles reacting right

1829
01:18:56,870 --> 01:18:52,860
when you go and you look at the exact

1830
01:18:59,630 --> 01:18:56,880
same uh time frame

1831
01:19:01,669 --> 01:18:59,640
and you look and and see what was the

1832
01:19:04,790 --> 01:19:01,679
best that Hollywood had absolutely

1833
01:19:08,689 --> 01:19:04,800
Planet of the Apes and the Kubrick right

1834
01:19:11,510 --> 01:19:08,699
2001 and Stanley who is an absolute

1835
01:19:13,970 --> 01:19:11,520
perfectionist we understand that about

1836
01:19:15,770 --> 01:19:13,980
him and he shot the greatest films that

1837
01:19:18,290 --> 01:19:15,780
were ever made

1838
01:19:21,470 --> 01:19:18,300
um still couldn't get it right and you

1839
01:19:22,910 --> 01:19:21,480
watch that section of of 2001 A Space

1840
01:19:24,770 --> 01:19:22,920
Odyssey and you go wow okay it's cool

1841
01:19:28,790 --> 01:19:24,780
but it's still people in Monkey suits

1842
01:19:31,030 --> 01:19:28,800
right yeah for sure but that's not and

1843
01:19:34,550 --> 01:19:31,040
then you have the Patterson gimlin film

1844
01:19:37,189 --> 01:19:34,560
and and they want to attribute that to a

1845
01:19:39,050 --> 01:19:37,199
couple of you know cowboys on Horseback

1846
01:19:40,729 --> 01:19:39,060
that were able to pull that off it

1847
01:19:42,229 --> 01:19:40,739
doesn't make any sense no it doesn't to

1848
01:19:45,770 --> 01:19:42,239
me either

1849
01:19:50,689 --> 01:19:45,780
it doesn't uh how would okay

1850
01:19:53,570 --> 01:19:50,699
how Would Bigfoot uh are they that smart

1851
01:19:56,030 --> 01:19:53,580
now let's okay you're on the fence

1852
01:19:57,950 --> 01:19:56,040
okay I'm not on the same fence as you

1853
01:20:04,130 --> 01:19:57,960
I'm on the fence

1854
01:20:07,970 --> 01:20:04,140
that is avoiding human

1855
01:20:10,430 --> 01:20:07,980
just just a species avoiding humans and

1856
01:20:12,709 --> 01:20:10,440
something that's interdimensional and

1857
01:20:15,110 --> 01:20:12,719
walking through portals and vortexes and

1858
01:20:17,810 --> 01:20:15,120
visiting us that's what I'm on the fence

1859
01:20:20,450 --> 01:20:17,820
in between when you say that you're on

1860
01:20:23,030 --> 01:20:20,460
the fence what are you in between I'm in

1861
01:20:27,050 --> 01:20:23,040
between it being a an actual animal and

1862
01:20:29,330 --> 01:20:27,060
being a uh you know a passed down myth

1863
01:20:31,070 --> 01:20:29,340
and story and something that that's very

1864
01:20:33,890 --> 01:20:31,080
important to different cultures and to

1865
01:20:36,709 --> 01:20:33,900
indigenous groups and something that has

1866
01:20:38,390 --> 01:20:36,719
a lot of historical significance but is

1867
01:20:40,850 --> 01:20:38,400
not a real Flesh and Blood creature like

1868
01:20:43,430 --> 01:20:40,860
like a Thunderbird a Thunderbird is an

1869
01:20:46,490 --> 01:20:43,440
incredibly important animal to certain

1870
01:20:49,550 --> 01:20:46,500
groups of of people but there is no

1871
01:20:51,110 --> 01:20:49,560
evidence belief Etc even those groups

1872
01:20:53,030 --> 01:20:51,120
would say that this is a spirit animal

1873
01:20:54,050 --> 01:20:53,040
it is not a real Flesh and Blood

1874
01:20:56,030 --> 01:20:54,060
creature

1875
01:21:00,229 --> 01:20:56,040
have you seen a Bigfoot print yourself

1876
01:21:04,070 --> 01:21:00,239
yeah okay so have I and

1877
01:21:06,050 --> 01:21:04,080
um and before I saw the Bigfoot print

1878
01:21:08,870 --> 01:21:06,060
I wasn't a believer

1879
01:21:11,450 --> 01:21:08,880
okay I wasn't even even after the

1880
01:21:14,149 --> 01:21:11,460
Patterson gimlin film and doing the

1881
01:21:15,370 --> 01:21:14,159
thousands of shows and everything I was

1882
01:21:18,050 --> 01:21:15,380
like

1883
01:21:20,990 --> 01:21:18,060
and then I saw my first Bigfoot print

1884
01:21:22,970 --> 01:21:21,000
and I've never seen one in the wild I've

1885
01:21:24,350 --> 01:21:22,980
seen them like at conferences and I've

1886
01:21:26,570 --> 01:21:24,360
seen the cast and things like that no

1887
01:21:29,030 --> 01:21:26,580
I've never I've never found one I saw

1888
01:21:30,890 --> 01:21:29,040
one in the wild that's amazing well I

1889
01:21:33,709 --> 01:21:30,900
didn't make the discovery some kids did

1890
01:21:36,830 --> 01:21:33,719
uh we were with a group and and they

1891
01:21:38,450 --> 01:21:36,840
came up to me and said hey Jimmy um you

1892
01:21:40,610 --> 01:21:38,460
want to see a big footprint I was like

1893
01:21:43,310 --> 01:21:40,620
man kid don't bother me man

1894
01:21:46,669 --> 01:21:43,320
go over there no I don't want to go see

1895
01:21:50,330 --> 01:21:46,679
no Bigfoot print you know to me you're

1896
01:21:52,090 --> 01:21:50,340
trying over there no no I'm busy man

1897
01:21:55,850 --> 01:21:52,100
right

1898
01:21:57,830 --> 01:21:55,860
and and I walked over and looked down

1899
01:22:01,430 --> 01:21:57,840
dude

1900
01:22:04,250 --> 01:22:01,440
this deep in the ground yeah in in the

1901
01:22:06,649 --> 01:22:04,260
grass and I'm looking at it I put my

1902
01:22:10,310 --> 01:22:06,659
foot up next to it now I'm I'm six foot

1903
01:22:13,070 --> 01:22:10,320
200 pounds 200 plus I'm not making a

1904
01:22:15,290 --> 01:22:13,080
dent in this grass right right I'm

1905
01:22:17,870 --> 01:22:15,300
looking down at this fresh print and

1906
01:22:20,570 --> 01:22:17,880
it's this deep is that that deep where

1907
01:22:23,590 --> 01:22:20,580
where uh this is in Washington uh right

1908
01:22:26,930 --> 01:22:23,600
right off the Columbia River yeah yeah

1909
01:22:29,450 --> 01:22:26,940
and uh wow and we ended up finding four

1910
01:22:33,590 --> 01:22:29,460
in an arch

1911
01:22:37,990 --> 01:22:33,600
um and now this is where okay so this is

1912
01:22:44,149 --> 01:22:38,000
where I go interdimensional on you

1913
01:22:47,450 --> 01:22:44,159
there were no prints before or after

1914
01:22:49,729 --> 01:22:47,460
right we we searched in this field right

1915
01:22:51,290 --> 01:22:49,739
now we found the four and then we're

1916
01:22:53,870 --> 01:22:51,300
just kind of curving left right left

1917
01:22:57,229 --> 01:22:53,880
right right and they did they were like

1918
01:23:00,290 --> 01:22:57,239
six feet apart by the way and I'm gonna

1919
01:23:03,050 --> 01:23:00,300
wow I'm gonna guess and say

1920
01:23:06,410 --> 01:23:03,060
what's that a foot and a half I think

1921
01:23:09,169 --> 01:23:06,420
they were quite two feet long

1922
01:23:11,450 --> 01:23:09,179
um I'll show you pictures later

1923
01:23:14,110 --> 01:23:11,460
um but but anyway

1924
01:23:18,590 --> 01:23:14,120
it looked like dude just dropped off

1925
01:23:21,590 --> 01:23:18,600
right it's like like appeared and then

1926
01:23:24,169 --> 01:23:21,600
took a couple of steps and then vanished

1927
01:23:26,030 --> 01:23:24,179
yeah that doesn't make any sense and

1928
01:23:27,189 --> 01:23:26,040
that's where I go man is is there

1929
01:23:32,450 --> 01:23:27,199
something

1930
01:23:35,630 --> 01:23:32,460
interdimensional am I really going into

1931
01:23:39,169 --> 01:23:35,640
the Zone but that's what that's what the

1932
01:23:42,649 --> 01:23:39,179
evidence kind of shows me here is is

1933
01:23:45,050 --> 01:23:42,659
that is that visiting Crazy Town no no

1934
01:23:47,270 --> 01:23:45,060
no I mean so I I have I have seen other

1935
01:23:49,250 --> 01:23:47,280
animals have that as well I mean it

1936
01:23:51,350 --> 01:23:49,260
depends on the Topography of the land it

1937
01:23:52,970 --> 01:23:51,360
depends on uh you know the way that they

1938
01:23:54,770 --> 01:23:52,980
were moving it depends on the the

1939
01:23:56,630 --> 01:23:54,780
footfalls you know how heavy they were

1940
01:23:59,209 --> 01:23:56,640
how light they were how wet the ground

1941
01:24:00,169 --> 01:23:59,219
was and that can change from one step to

1942
01:24:02,209 --> 01:24:00,179
the next

1943
01:24:05,149 --> 01:24:02,219
so I I mean I I wouldn't think that that

1944
01:24:07,070 --> 01:24:05,159
would I would not go towards that

1945
01:24:08,630 --> 01:24:07,080
direction just based on only finding a

1946
01:24:13,270 --> 01:24:08,640
few prints in one spot

1947
01:24:17,689 --> 01:24:15,950
Chewbacca from from Star Wars yeah yeah

1948
01:24:19,970 --> 01:24:17,699
absolutely yeah

1949
01:24:22,970 --> 01:24:19,980
she's supposed to be a great guy that's

1950
01:24:26,810 --> 01:24:22,980
supposed to be a great guy and uh yeah I

1951
01:24:30,110 --> 01:24:26,820
I can't figure that part out where

1952
01:24:32,630 --> 01:24:30,120
um so there's the the community is so

1953
01:24:34,490 --> 01:24:32,640
big and

1954
01:24:36,709 --> 01:24:34,500
um and and talking to these different

1955
01:24:39,050 --> 01:24:36,719
Bigfoot researchers and Witnesses and

1956
01:24:41,870 --> 01:24:39,060
friends of mine oh yeah and have told

1957
01:24:44,510 --> 01:24:41,880
their stories I mean I mean have nothing

1958
01:24:46,550 --> 01:24:44,520
to do with this community but it seems

1959
01:24:48,050 --> 01:24:46,560
like everybody's got a Bigfoot story and

1960
01:24:51,770 --> 01:24:48,060
they have seen something out of the wild

1961
01:24:54,590 --> 01:24:51,780
that they can't explain and I I I I

1962
01:24:57,590 --> 01:24:54,600
don't know uh this is something I'm

1963
01:25:00,350 --> 01:24:57,600
trying to figure out so I think there's

1964
01:25:01,910 --> 01:25:00,360
when there is such a large community I

1965
01:25:04,189 --> 01:25:01,920
think you are more likely to get some

1966
01:25:07,070 --> 01:25:04,199
mistaken identity so there are some

1967
01:25:08,750 --> 01:25:07,080
people who see a Grizzly or see you know

1968
01:25:09,950 --> 01:25:08,760
something else I mean people see house

1969
01:25:12,290 --> 01:25:09,960
cats and think that they're mountain

1970
01:25:13,669 --> 01:25:12,300
lions this happens a lot it's very well

1971
01:25:15,530 --> 01:25:13,679
documented

1972
01:25:16,610 --> 01:25:15,540
um people who aren't used to seeing

1973
01:25:22,550 --> 01:25:16,620
animals

1974
01:25:24,050 --> 01:25:22,560
your mind jumps to other conclusions

1975
01:25:25,790 --> 01:25:24,060
um but all there needs to be is one real

1976
01:25:28,850 --> 01:25:25,800
sighting there needs to be one real one

1977
01:25:30,350 --> 01:25:28,860
and there's enough people who have a lot

1978
01:25:33,709 --> 01:25:30,360
of experience with Wildlife you know

1979
01:25:36,350 --> 01:25:33,719
between hunters and uh biologists and

1980
01:25:38,270 --> 01:25:36,360
field researchers and Bigfoot

1981
01:25:39,950 --> 01:25:38,280
researchers who know all of the other

1982
01:25:43,490 --> 01:25:39,960
animals in the area

1983
01:25:45,050 --> 01:25:43,500
um who have seen something that that's

1984
01:25:47,450 --> 01:25:45,060
that's why I'm on the fence that's why

1985
01:25:49,550 --> 01:25:47,460
you know it's it's hard

1986
01:25:51,830 --> 01:25:49,560
it's hard to say why we don't have

1987
01:25:54,050 --> 01:25:51,840
better evidence right now but it's also

1988
01:25:55,189 --> 01:25:54,060
just as hard to say well what are people

1989
01:25:59,350 --> 01:25:55,199
seeing

1990
01:26:02,390 --> 01:25:59,360
that well I can bring up the panda

1991
01:26:04,910 --> 01:26:02,400
right oh yeah I mean in any any any of

1992
01:26:07,250 --> 01:26:04,920
the forested areas that we describe it a

1993
01:26:09,709 --> 01:26:07,260
body is not going to last very long

1994
01:26:11,090 --> 01:26:09,719
um like we you know you don't find dead

1995
01:26:12,970 --> 01:26:11,100
gorillas I've been in the Central

1996
01:26:16,070 --> 01:26:12,980
African Republic the Congo and the car

1997
01:26:17,510 --> 01:26:16,080
you don't find dead primates

1998
01:26:20,149 --> 01:26:17,520
um you know they're they're the bones

1999
01:26:22,310 --> 01:26:20,159
are gone very very shortly after they

2000
01:26:23,270 --> 01:26:22,320
die so it's not even that type of

2001
01:26:26,090 --> 01:26:23,280
evidence

2002
01:26:28,550 --> 01:26:26,100
um it's very difficult to get a photo of

2003
01:26:30,050 --> 01:26:28,560
an animal in the wild um unless you know

2004
01:26:31,490 --> 01:26:30,060
exactly what you're targeting and where

2005
01:26:34,370 --> 01:26:31,500
it's going to be you know Nat Geo

2006
01:26:36,169 --> 01:26:34,380
photographers spend days to get one

2007
01:26:38,689 --> 01:26:36,179
photo of a bird

2008
01:26:41,689 --> 01:26:38,699
no goes to this area and is exactly what

2009
01:26:43,729 --> 01:26:41,699
they want to see so I I mean it's not

2010
01:26:45,530 --> 01:26:43,739
yeah that's that's why it's still still

2011
01:26:46,629 --> 01:26:45,540
on the fence I think

2012
01:26:50,689 --> 01:26:46,639
um

2013
01:26:52,870 --> 01:26:50,699
it's there's such a big creature

2014
01:26:56,209 --> 01:26:52,880
and

2015
01:26:56,990 --> 01:26:56,219
spotted so frequently

2016
01:26:59,450 --> 01:26:57,000
um

2017
01:27:04,750 --> 01:26:59,460
I would think that we would

2018
01:27:08,330 --> 01:27:04,760
have better evidence right now at least

2019
01:27:10,430 --> 01:27:08,340
droppings and hair and other things that

2020
01:27:12,709 --> 01:27:10,440
we could definitively point to one

2021
01:27:14,149 --> 01:27:12,719
unidentified species and say yes you

2022
01:27:16,550 --> 01:27:14,159
know even though we haven't seen it this

2023
01:27:18,169 --> 01:27:16,560
is all from the same species and the

2024
01:27:19,490 --> 01:27:18,179
fact that we don't have that just makes

2025
01:27:22,070 --> 01:27:19,500
me think

2026
01:27:24,110 --> 01:27:22,080
you know why why don't we have that and

2027
01:27:25,970 --> 01:27:24,120
then it's the classic you know absence

2028
01:27:29,470 --> 01:27:25,980
of evidence is not evidence of absence

2029
01:27:35,149 --> 01:27:32,750
so it wouldn't surprise you it would not

2030
01:27:38,330 --> 01:27:35,159
it would not surprise we just could be

2031
01:27:42,649 --> 01:27:38,340
very excited yeah yeah

2032
01:27:45,050 --> 01:27:42,659
um what about the connection

2033
01:27:47,810 --> 01:27:45,060
um and again only because you're a punk

2034
01:27:51,590 --> 01:27:47,820
bass player you can appreciate this but

2035
01:27:54,229 --> 01:27:51,600
what about the connection it seems uh

2036
01:27:59,090 --> 01:27:54,239
that we hear

2037
01:28:03,110 --> 01:27:59,100
a lot about a UFO sighting and a Bigfoot

2038
01:28:05,450 --> 01:28:03,120
sighting happening at the same time two

2039
01:28:08,090 --> 01:28:05,460
different groups of people one is seeing

2040
01:28:12,590 --> 01:28:08,100
uh you know lights in the sky the same

2041
01:28:15,169 --> 01:28:12,600
night we've got a a Bigfoot report from

2042
01:28:16,669 --> 01:28:15,179
another group of people and it's

2043
01:28:19,250 --> 01:28:16,679
suddenly now the Bigfoot Community

2044
01:28:22,149 --> 01:28:19,260
doesn't want to join the UFO Community

2045
01:28:25,070 --> 01:28:22,159
that's very true that's very true

2046
01:28:27,890 --> 01:28:25,080
new new new

2047
01:28:31,010 --> 01:28:27,900
um the UFO Community is okay with it but

2048
01:28:33,290 --> 01:28:31,020
but the Bigfoot Community they want to

2049
01:28:36,770 --> 01:28:33,300
stay they want to stay unconnected here

2050
01:28:39,169 --> 01:28:36,780
but but it appears that there may be a

2051
01:28:41,689 --> 01:28:39,179
connection why do you think that we're

2052
01:28:43,610 --> 01:28:41,699
hearing uh these reports going on at the

2053
01:28:45,830 --> 01:28:43,620
same time so I wonder if it could be um

2054
01:28:49,250 --> 01:28:45,840
could be something to do with location I

2055
01:28:51,350 --> 01:28:49,260
mean you're in too fairly isolated

2056
01:28:54,229 --> 01:28:51,360
um you know locations where you can get

2057
01:28:56,209 --> 01:28:54,239
a really great view of the sky and where

2058
01:28:58,010 --> 01:28:56,219
it's going to be a really wild space so

2059
01:28:59,330 --> 01:28:58,020
you're more likely to see you know some

2060
01:29:02,209 --> 01:28:59,340
kind of large creature that's in the

2061
01:29:04,430 --> 01:29:02,219
wilderness they just happen to be in the

2062
01:29:07,610 --> 01:29:04,440
same type of location

2063
01:29:11,030 --> 01:29:07,620
um and people are out looking for both

2064
01:29:14,689 --> 01:29:11,040
things at the same at the same place now

2065
01:29:17,810 --> 01:29:14,699
World Bigfoot radio DNA yeah yeah can we

2066
01:29:21,530 --> 01:29:17,820
address this uh a little bit here

2067
01:29:23,870 --> 01:29:21,540
and so uh everything it's a very very

2068
01:29:26,030 --> 01:29:23,880
contentious topic and I'm hesitant to

2069
01:29:28,850 --> 01:29:26,040
really weigh in

2070
01:29:32,570 --> 01:29:28,860
um I I think that everything that I have

2071
01:29:35,570 --> 01:29:32,580
read on it is that the um the DNA has

2072
01:29:39,350 --> 01:29:35,580
always been inconclusive and it's been

2073
01:29:42,709 --> 01:29:39,360
unable to tie to one distinct species

2074
01:29:45,050 --> 01:29:42,719
that we do get back like it's similar to

2075
01:29:47,030 --> 01:29:45,060
there has been a few findings where

2076
01:29:49,610 --> 01:29:47,040
they've said okay we've found some DNA

2077
01:29:51,890 --> 01:29:49,620
that's similar to a human but it's not

2078
01:29:53,930 --> 01:29:51,900
human and then when another researcher

2079
01:29:55,669 --> 01:29:53,940
looks at the same sample they go nah

2080
01:29:57,530 --> 01:29:55,679
it's not or another researcher looks at

2081
01:30:00,709 --> 01:29:57,540
and goes yeah it's just human

2082
01:30:03,290 --> 01:30:00,719
so I think that um there has been some

2083
01:30:05,810 --> 01:30:03,300
contamination issues with some of the

2084
01:30:07,370 --> 01:30:05,820
samples and the Ketchum study in

2085
01:30:09,530 --> 01:30:07,380
particular I know

2086
01:30:11,390 --> 01:30:09,540
um has been contentious let's say

2087
01:30:14,330 --> 01:30:11,400
there's not there's not Universal

2088
01:30:16,970 --> 01:30:14,340
acceptance of uh it's not a

2089
01:30:20,209 --> 01:30:16,980
peer-reviewed universal accepted well

2090
01:30:24,950 --> 01:30:23,510
um I'd have to do you I I don't know if

2091
01:30:28,430 --> 01:30:24,960
you're running for a political office

2092
01:30:30,290 --> 01:30:28,440
but you should be because I'd have to I

2093
01:30:33,229 --> 01:30:30,300
would honestly have to dig into it more

2094
01:30:36,709 --> 01:30:33,239
before I be that was a dance man that

2095
01:30:39,169 --> 01:30:36,719
was a dance so I I will say the um the

2096
01:30:41,390 --> 01:30:39,179
one the the yeti samples I think are

2097
01:30:44,270 --> 01:30:41,400
more compelling so there there was the

2098
01:30:46,850 --> 01:30:44,280
study uh just a few years ago where they

2099
01:30:49,250 --> 01:30:46,860
found the yeti hairs that were that were

2100
01:30:50,810 --> 01:30:49,260
tied back to uh polar bear

2101
01:30:52,250 --> 01:30:50,820
and they actually said that this is a

2102
01:30:54,709 --> 01:30:52,260
species of polar bear that they thought

2103
01:30:57,709 --> 01:30:54,719
had gone extinct um something like 10

2104
01:31:01,729 --> 01:30:57,719
000 years ago and then the same samples

2105
01:31:04,669 --> 01:31:01,739
were retested and it was found to be

2106
01:31:06,590 --> 01:31:04,679
um at least very very closely related to

2107
01:31:10,370 --> 01:31:06,600
a Nepalese bear

2108
01:31:13,490 --> 01:31:10,380
and I think that those are the chain of

2109
01:31:15,530 --> 01:31:13,500
custody was better on those and they are

2110
01:31:18,950 --> 01:31:15,540
more compelling to me to say that you

2111
01:31:20,930 --> 01:31:18,960
know could the yeti be a species of bear

2112
01:31:22,910 --> 01:31:20,940
um I think it could I think that a lot

2113
01:31:25,669 --> 01:31:22,920
of the sightings could tie that to a

2114
01:31:27,350 --> 01:31:25,679
species of bear that's either

2115
01:31:29,330 --> 01:31:27,360
you know something that that we

2116
01:31:33,770 --> 01:31:29,340
previously thought went extinct or a new

2117
01:31:34,370 --> 01:31:33,780
species of bear why is it that

2118
01:31:38,990 --> 01:31:34,380
um

2119
01:31:42,169 --> 01:31:39,000
uh something can take off as quick as it

2120
01:31:45,050 --> 01:31:42,179
does like for instance chupacabra right

2121
01:31:49,310 --> 01:31:45,060
you brought up Thunderbirds I was alive

2122
01:31:52,129 --> 01:31:49,320
I think I'm older than you I'm 43. okay

2123
01:31:54,530 --> 01:31:52,139
I'm 60. so all right you don't look it I

2124
01:31:57,890 --> 01:31:54,540
would not have guessed that I

2125
01:32:00,709 --> 01:31:57,900
I lived the Thunderbird era yeah okay I

2126
01:32:04,729 --> 01:32:00,719
was in Indiana when the the photographs

2127
01:32:06,530 --> 01:32:04,739
and the the films and the the sightings

2128
01:32:09,110 --> 01:32:06,540
were taking place and it was on the news

2129
01:32:11,990 --> 01:32:09,120
it was on the newspaper and and suddenly

2130
01:32:13,790 --> 01:32:12,000
me and my buddies are out in corn fields

2131
01:32:17,390 --> 01:32:13,800
you know looking for the Thunderbird

2132
01:32:19,370 --> 01:32:17,400
yeah um I I lived through that and and

2133
01:32:21,709 --> 01:32:19,380
very compelling

2134
01:32:24,129 --> 01:32:21,719
um and it it just took off man it went

2135
01:32:28,189 --> 01:32:24,139
viral in its own way

2136
01:32:32,570 --> 01:32:28,199
chupacabra did the exact same thing

2137
01:32:36,110 --> 01:32:32,580
um now is is that cryptozoology or is

2138
01:32:39,050 --> 01:32:36,120
that Fringe folklore you know urban

2139
01:32:40,790 --> 01:32:39,060
legend yeah so chupacabra is is one of

2140
01:32:42,470 --> 01:32:40,800
the one of the rare cases when we can

2141
01:32:44,330 --> 01:32:42,480
point back to the origin of the story

2142
01:32:46,430 --> 01:32:44,340
when we can find that this you know this

2143
01:32:49,550 --> 01:32:46,440
this is folklore it is something that

2144
01:32:50,930 --> 01:32:49,560
was definitively invented and uh and

2145
01:32:52,910 --> 01:32:50,940
made up

2146
01:32:54,890 --> 01:32:52,920
um you know as a as a kind of Campfire

2147
01:32:57,169 --> 01:32:54,900
Story which which is great and and I

2148
01:32:59,810 --> 01:32:57,179
think chupacabra is is very interesting

2149
01:33:01,689 --> 01:32:59,820
for that and it's a great story

2150
01:33:05,209 --> 01:33:01,699
um and I think it takes off because

2151
01:33:07,250 --> 01:33:05,219
people tie it then to other events so

2152
01:33:08,689 --> 01:33:07,260
like the the cows you know the cows

2153
01:33:09,830 --> 01:33:08,699
being found with with their blood

2154
01:33:11,930 --> 01:33:09,840
drained

2155
01:33:13,669 --> 01:33:11,940
um people can then take that and they've

2156
01:33:14,930 --> 01:33:13,679
heard that they've heard the chupacabra

2157
01:33:16,430 --> 01:33:14,940
they can tie it together and it's

2158
01:33:19,070 --> 01:33:16,440
something that's fun to talk about and

2159
01:33:22,550 --> 01:33:19,080
something that's fun to uh to speculate

2160
01:33:23,770 --> 01:33:22,560
on so and and that happens a lot when

2161
01:33:25,910 --> 01:33:23,780
we're talking about

2162
01:33:27,950 --> 01:33:25,920
different different Legends and

2163
01:33:29,750 --> 01:33:27,960
different stories that um just kind of

2164
01:33:32,450 --> 01:33:29,760
tap into something Primal in our

2165
01:33:35,390 --> 01:33:32,460
Consciousness you know every culture has

2166
01:33:37,669 --> 01:33:35,400
story of Harry hominids from uh you know

2167
01:33:40,970 --> 01:33:37,679
from the yaoi in Australia to the yarin

2168
01:33:43,189 --> 01:33:40,980
in China to the Rock Apes in Vietnam to

2169
01:33:45,169 --> 01:33:43,199
you know we can go through all these and

2170
01:33:48,709 --> 01:33:45,179
there's something Primal you know some

2171
01:33:50,870 --> 01:33:48,719
kind of tribal memory in us to remember

2172
01:33:53,689 --> 01:33:50,880
a time when there were multiple species

2173
01:33:55,970 --> 01:33:53,699
of hominid uh living together you know

2174
01:33:58,550 --> 01:33:55,980
upwards of six to eight different

2175
01:34:01,250 --> 01:33:58,560
species of humans living together and

2176
01:34:02,990 --> 01:34:01,260
coexisting at some points in history

2177
01:34:06,410 --> 01:34:03,000
um sometimes more recently than we'd

2178
01:34:10,310 --> 01:34:06,420
like to think is is it it's uh not

2179
01:34:13,070 --> 01:34:10,320
chupacabra but Bigfoot specifically

2180
01:34:18,070 --> 01:34:13,080
um where you have everything from you

2181
01:34:23,209 --> 01:34:18,080
know snowmen in in yeah in the Himalayas

2182
01:34:26,930 --> 01:34:23,219
uh to skunk a you know in Florida right

2183
01:34:30,590 --> 01:34:26,940
where that this is this is transoceanic

2184
01:34:34,070 --> 01:34:30,600
this is every culture uh having the same

2185
01:34:35,750 --> 01:34:34,080
sighting way before we had uh telephones

2186
01:34:37,910 --> 01:34:35,760
yes

2187
01:34:40,490 --> 01:34:37,920
um so there there certainly seems to be

2188
01:34:43,189 --> 01:34:40,500
something going on and I I don't think

2189
01:34:44,570 --> 01:34:43,199
it's necessarily again you know I'm

2190
01:34:47,810 --> 01:34:44,580
somebody that's supposed to be on the

2191
01:34:50,990 --> 01:34:47,820
fence but I'm talking myself into this

2192
01:34:52,510 --> 01:34:51,000
constantly right where there this this

2193
01:34:57,530 --> 01:34:52,520
can't be

2194
01:35:00,050 --> 01:34:57,540
uh memory contamination in our DNA this

2195
01:35:03,410 --> 01:35:00,060
can't be just like dreams of a distant

2196
01:35:08,270 --> 01:35:03,420
past this can't be Deja Vu this is all

2197
01:35:10,310 --> 01:35:08,280
very sent uh up up to this very day that

2198
01:35:11,990 --> 01:35:10,320
these sightings are happening and we and

2199
01:35:14,510 --> 01:35:12,000
we can't seem to figure it out I don't

2200
01:35:17,090 --> 01:35:14,520
think it's deep-rooted psychosis I I

2201
01:35:19,729 --> 01:35:17,100
don't no no I don't think it's psychosis

2202
01:35:23,689 --> 01:35:19,739
um but I mean I think that there is

2203
01:35:26,390 --> 01:35:23,699
a a cultural archetype of the the Harry

2204
01:35:29,090 --> 01:35:26,400
hominid that um that has been persistent

2205
01:35:30,410 --> 01:35:29,100
throughout all of human history all of

2206
01:35:32,149 --> 01:35:30,420
recorded history you know you can go all

2207
01:35:34,850 --> 01:35:32,159
the way back to uh

2208
01:35:37,010 --> 01:35:34,860
uh Grendel

2209
01:35:39,110 --> 01:35:37,020
you know back in the the earliest

2210
01:35:41,270 --> 01:35:39,120
stories that we know of um you know

2211
01:35:44,149 --> 01:35:41,280
there there is this cultural archetype

2212
01:35:46,610 --> 01:35:44,159
of the the hairy human the wild man the

2213
01:35:48,709 --> 01:35:46,620
you know this still existing and there's

2214
01:35:52,430 --> 01:35:48,719
so many different reasons for this

2215
01:35:54,229 --> 01:35:52,440
everything from Hermits to uh to actual

2216
01:35:55,810 --> 01:35:54,239
Apes to

2217
01:35:58,970 --> 01:35:55,820
um you know just

2218
01:36:01,970 --> 01:35:58,980
cultural memories of a time when this

2219
01:36:04,490 --> 01:36:01,980
really was there except okay now now

2220
01:36:07,669 --> 01:36:04,500
this is where I give you my accept

2221
01:36:10,790 --> 01:36:07,679
so I got this got this friend golfing

2222
01:36:13,810 --> 01:36:10,800
buddy okay golf yeah I used to play golf

2223
01:36:17,090 --> 01:36:13,820
okay so we're out playing golf one day

2224
01:36:20,149 --> 01:36:17,100
and this is many many years ago 30 years

2225
01:36:22,490 --> 01:36:20,159
ago 25 years ago playing golf and he

2226
01:36:24,890 --> 01:36:22,500
tell I don't know how this happened but

2227
01:36:27,530 --> 01:36:24,900
he tells me this story

2228
01:36:30,110 --> 01:36:27,540
it's a golfer he says man when I was a

2229
01:36:33,649 --> 01:36:30,120
kid uh we'd spend the Summers on our

2230
01:36:35,209 --> 01:36:33,659
Ranch up in Montana and uh my parents

2231
01:36:36,950 --> 01:36:35,219
had Ten Thousand Acres and there was

2232
01:36:38,169 --> 01:36:36,960
this Creek that ran through the the

2233
01:36:41,149 --> 01:36:38,179
ranch

2234
01:36:44,209 --> 01:36:41,159
and uh every morning I would get my

2235
01:36:47,450 --> 01:36:44,219
fishing rod and go down and fish he says

2236
01:36:49,850 --> 01:36:47,460
I'm 12 years old 13 years old and I'm

2237
01:36:52,790 --> 01:36:49,860
down fishing in the creek

2238
01:36:56,450 --> 01:36:52,800
and he said behind us is a hill this

2239
01:36:58,970 --> 01:36:56,460
embankment and and I'm fishing

2240
01:37:01,490 --> 01:36:58,980
and this rock

2241
01:37:03,770 --> 01:37:01,500
lands next to me

2242
01:37:05,930 --> 01:37:03,780
I was like wow

2243
01:37:10,450 --> 01:37:05,940
he thought it rolled down the hill on

2244
01:37:17,570 --> 01:37:14,870
and he he moves up the river

2245
01:37:20,750 --> 01:37:17,580
to avoid the Falling Rocks from the

2246
01:37:22,430 --> 01:37:20,760
embankment behind him he thinks loose

2247
01:37:23,870 --> 01:37:22,440
rocks are rolling down the hill he

2248
01:37:26,390 --> 01:37:23,880
doesn't want to get hit by one of these

2249
01:37:28,010 --> 01:37:26,400
bowling ball-sized rocks that are

2250
01:37:31,669 --> 01:37:28,020
landing next to him

2251
01:37:34,430 --> 01:37:31,679
he's now up the creek literally he's

2252
01:37:38,149 --> 01:37:34,440
fishing and then another

2253
01:37:42,350 --> 01:37:38,159
boom bowling ball site is thrown at him

2254
01:37:45,950 --> 01:37:42,360
he turns around and looks and he said he

2255
01:37:49,189 --> 01:37:45,960
sees from behind the hill shoulders up

2256
01:37:52,669 --> 01:37:49,199
Bigfoot looking at him

2257
01:37:55,010 --> 01:37:52,679
yeah he runs up the hill

2258
01:37:57,410 --> 01:37:55,020
to get to Bigfoot it gets up to the top

2259
01:38:00,229 --> 01:37:57,420
of the hill and down at the end of the

2260
01:38:01,430 --> 01:38:00,239
tree line Bigfoot is dashing into the

2261
01:38:04,910 --> 01:38:01,440
trees

2262
01:38:06,470 --> 01:38:04,920
now that's not

2263
01:38:09,950 --> 01:38:06,480
a hermit

2264
01:38:12,649 --> 01:38:09,960
no Upstate New York no that's not a

2265
01:38:15,050 --> 01:38:12,659
grizzly bear that's not you know it's

2266
01:38:17,149 --> 01:38:15,060
not and and this is just him telling me

2267
01:38:19,189 --> 01:38:17,159
a story

2268
01:38:23,450 --> 01:38:19,199
um and I believe it to be true I believe

2269
01:38:26,090 --> 01:38:23,460
it it happened exactly like he says it

2270
01:38:28,669 --> 01:38:26,100
happened and this is one of millions of

2271
01:38:31,610 --> 01:38:28,679
stories that we have like this yeah from

2272
01:38:33,709 --> 01:38:31,620
very reliable people and from people who

2273
01:38:35,750 --> 01:38:33,719
are hesitant to tell the stories because

2274
01:38:37,850 --> 01:38:35,760
they uh they they don't want you know

2275
01:38:40,669 --> 01:38:37,860
they don't want to get pegged with the

2276
01:38:42,470 --> 01:38:40,679
the you know moniker of this is the this

2277
01:38:45,229 --> 01:38:42,480
is the Bigfoot Guy this is the Bigfoot

2278
01:38:46,970 --> 01:38:45,239
girl yeah no I I I've heard I've heard

2279
01:38:49,610 --> 01:38:46,980
similar ones from people that I trust

2280
01:38:51,470 --> 01:38:49,620
and that I I recognize and

2281
01:38:52,970 --> 01:38:51,480
it's it's really hard to say I mean I

2282
01:38:55,370 --> 01:38:52,980
would I would not say that the person is

2283
01:38:57,649 --> 01:38:55,380
a liar I would not say that they're um

2284
01:39:00,290 --> 01:38:57,659
that they're you know making this up but

2285
01:39:01,729 --> 01:39:00,300
I'm also not not ready to jump in and

2286
01:39:03,370 --> 01:39:01,739
say that I believe that there is an

2287
01:39:06,530 --> 01:39:03,380
eight foot tall

2288
01:39:08,450 --> 01:39:06,540
human-like you know Harry hominid in uh

2289
01:39:10,790 --> 01:39:08,460
in North America I just haven't haven't

2290
01:39:14,390 --> 01:39:10,800
seen enough yet so

2291
01:39:17,510 --> 01:39:14,400
you're fishing and you get hit by a

2292
01:39:19,129 --> 01:39:17,520
bowling ball and you turn around and you

2293
01:39:20,689 --> 01:39:19,139
see

2294
01:39:23,750 --> 01:39:20,699
that

2295
01:39:29,290 --> 01:39:23,760
I believe does your story change at 100

2296
01:39:35,330 --> 01:39:32,990
and and but but now you're the crazy

2297
01:39:36,830 --> 01:39:35,340
dude yeah I'm all right with that if I

2298
01:39:38,149 --> 01:39:36,840
if I can back it up and I've seen it

2299
01:39:42,290 --> 01:39:38,159
myself am I right with being the crazy

2300
01:39:45,050 --> 01:39:42,300
dude I heard in Brazil what I believe to

2301
01:39:46,430 --> 01:39:45,060
be a giant ground sloth

2302
01:39:48,110 --> 01:39:46,440
I heard it

2303
01:39:49,790 --> 01:39:48,120
I can't I can't give any other

2304
01:39:51,350 --> 01:39:49,800
explanation for what other animal it

2305
01:39:53,390 --> 01:39:51,360
might have been or for for what it could

2306
01:39:56,450 --> 01:39:53,400
it sounded like a sloth call but much

2307
01:39:58,669 --> 01:39:56,460
deeper and sounded exactly like someone

2308
01:40:00,649 --> 01:39:58,679
who had researched giant ground sloths

2309
01:40:03,890 --> 01:40:00,659
described that their their call would

2310
01:40:07,189 --> 01:40:03,900
have sounded like and I heard it what's

2311
01:40:10,430 --> 01:40:07,199
what's a giant ground sloth uh like a

2312
01:40:13,310 --> 01:40:10,440
six to eight foot tall uh sloth on the

2313
01:40:14,209 --> 01:40:13,320
ground that um you know incredibly thick

2314
01:40:16,430 --> 01:40:14,219
skin

2315
01:40:17,810 --> 01:40:16,440
um dermal uh what's it called like

2316
01:40:20,030 --> 01:40:17,820
patches that that would be almost

2317
01:40:21,649 --> 01:40:20,040
impenetrable even with a knife or with

2318
01:40:22,930 --> 01:40:21,659
most bullets

2319
01:40:25,550 --> 01:40:22,940
um

2320
01:40:27,890 --> 01:40:25,560
essentially essentially bulletproof yeah

2321
01:40:31,010 --> 01:40:27,900
uh ground sloth I mean what we know

2322
01:40:32,629 --> 01:40:31,020
lived in the The Plea scene

2323
01:40:34,070 --> 01:40:32,639
um you know most most people say that

2324
01:40:35,629 --> 01:40:34,080
they went extinct about ten thousand

2325
01:40:37,729 --> 01:40:35,639
years ago we know that some ground

2326
01:40:40,550 --> 01:40:37,739
sloths survived like on the island of

2327
01:40:43,669 --> 01:40:40,560
Hispaniola up until about 900 years ago

2328
01:40:45,290 --> 01:40:43,679
but um I do believe that there's it's

2329
01:40:47,330 --> 01:40:45,300
very possible that there's a Remnant

2330
01:40:51,830 --> 01:40:47,340
population in certain parts of Brazil

2331
01:40:53,270 --> 01:40:51,840
now is the is it a relative of the

2332
01:40:56,570 --> 01:40:53,280
normal sloth

2333
01:40:58,129 --> 01:40:56,580
yes okay now

2334
01:41:00,410 --> 01:40:58,139
um I'm gonna sound like I know what I'm

2335
01:41:01,729 --> 01:41:00,420
talking about but let's lay some facts

2336
01:41:03,229 --> 01:41:01,739
out here when we're talking about the

2337
01:41:05,689 --> 01:41:03,239
sloth

2338
01:41:09,590 --> 01:41:05,699
um slowest metabolism of anything known

2339
01:41:11,930 --> 01:41:09,600
right there up there for sure in the

2340
01:41:17,510 --> 01:41:11,940
known universe right

2341
01:41:21,050 --> 01:41:17,520
um sleeps like 23 and a half hours a day

2342
01:41:23,030 --> 01:41:21,060
uh almost I worked on a slots I I filmed

2343
01:41:24,709 --> 01:41:23,040
on a Sloth Sanctuary in Costa Rica for a

2344
01:41:26,629 --> 01:41:24,719
while they are they're my favorite land

2345
01:41:28,370 --> 01:41:26,639
animals so you know you're like Jimmy

2346
01:41:29,750 --> 01:41:28,380
man you're spitting out the big facts

2347
01:41:33,010 --> 01:41:29,760
here

2348
01:41:36,890 --> 01:41:33,020
um um the slowest I mean

2349
01:41:41,030 --> 01:41:36,900
everything I I would think that in the

2350
01:41:42,950 --> 01:41:41,040
sloths world that they even see in slow

2351
01:41:45,229 --> 01:41:42,960
motion

2352
01:41:47,750 --> 01:41:45,239
they're pretty amazing animals they're

2353
01:41:49,729 --> 01:41:47,760
pretty amazing animals and they yet they

2354
01:41:52,149 --> 01:41:49,739
survive right

2355
01:41:55,189 --> 01:41:52,159
right literally

2356
01:41:58,490 --> 01:41:55,199
like this yeah I always say if you get

2357
01:42:01,990 --> 01:41:58,500
bitten by a sloth it's your fault yeah

2358
01:42:06,709 --> 01:42:02,000
how is it possible

2359
01:42:09,770 --> 01:42:06,719
that a giant ground sloth cannot be

2360
01:42:12,350 --> 01:42:09,780
discovered when it doesn't even move a

2361
01:42:14,330 --> 01:42:12,360
different diet different um different uh

2362
01:42:18,050 --> 01:42:14,340
survival strategy these would be much

2363
01:42:20,629 --> 01:42:18,060
faster but I think so so it's not like

2364
01:42:22,370 --> 01:42:20,639
it's not no no they're not they're not

2365
01:42:24,169 --> 01:42:22,380
like the I mean they're related to you

2366
01:42:27,590 --> 01:42:24,179
know in the same way that uh a giant

2367
01:42:28,850 --> 01:42:27,600
anteater is related to uh a sloth you

2368
01:42:30,350 --> 01:42:28,860
know these are these would be more

2369
01:42:32,689 --> 01:42:30,360
closely related they would have the same

2370
01:42:35,990 --> 01:42:32,699
kind of claws on the on the feet and on

2371
01:42:38,510 --> 01:42:36,000
the hands but um yeah I mean within the

2372
01:42:41,209 --> 01:42:38,520
same oh God same family

2373
01:42:42,350 --> 01:42:41,219
so giant sloth do they have opposing

2374
01:42:44,990 --> 01:42:42,360
thumbs

2375
01:42:47,290 --> 01:42:45,000
I don't believe so okay all right

2376
01:42:50,030 --> 01:42:47,300
because I'll say maybe it's Bigfoot

2377
01:42:52,669 --> 01:42:50,040
I have heard that I've heard people say

2378
01:42:56,990 --> 01:42:52,679
that I've heard the same thing actually

2379
01:42:59,870 --> 01:42:57,000
um uh but for it to survive and not be

2380
01:43:03,649 --> 01:42:59,880
discovered uh we go down to Brazil all

2381
01:43:06,229 --> 01:43:03,659
the time uh on a daily basis and we

2382
01:43:07,629 --> 01:43:06,239
discover new species it's a job for most

2383
01:43:10,609 --> 01:43:07,639
people

2384
01:43:13,850 --> 01:43:10,619
that's exactly what they do right yeah

2385
01:43:16,250 --> 01:43:13,860
so I so um the areas where this is

2386
01:43:19,390 --> 01:43:16,260
spotted are regions where there are

2387
01:43:22,550 --> 01:43:19,400
uncontacted tribes there are still um

2388
01:43:24,649 --> 01:43:22,560
tribes um individuals indigenous people

2389
01:43:26,090 --> 01:43:24,659
who have no contact with the outside

2390
01:43:28,189 --> 01:43:26,100
world

2391
01:43:29,990 --> 01:43:28,199
um and that they are protected by the

2392
01:43:32,090 --> 01:43:30,000
government where if you wanted to go in

2393
01:43:34,550 --> 01:43:32,100
there you have to get special permission

2394
01:43:36,709 --> 01:43:34,560
um so I was able I had to go through you

2395
01:43:38,930 --> 01:43:36,719
know medical exams and and uh you know

2396
01:43:41,689 --> 01:43:38,940
go through background checks in order to

2397
01:43:44,030 --> 01:43:41,699
see not the uncontacted tribes but the

2398
01:43:46,550 --> 01:43:44,040
you know I forget what the next level of

2399
01:43:47,629 --> 01:43:46,560
it's called the lightly contacted tribes

2400
01:43:49,790 --> 01:43:47,639
um you know and there's still a

2401
01:43:52,609 --> 01:43:49,800
protection to go in there and that this

2402
01:43:55,129 --> 01:43:52,619
is even further beyond that and their

2403
01:43:56,330 --> 01:43:55,139
culture there's a story that has been in

2404
01:43:58,490 --> 01:43:56,340
existence

2405
01:44:01,070 --> 01:43:58,500
since you know the the cultures have

2406
01:44:04,970 --> 01:44:01,080
existed that um what they call the

2407
01:44:07,550 --> 01:44:04,980
mapping guari is uh is this animal that

2408
01:44:09,770 --> 01:44:07,560
is other it is not

2409
01:44:12,410 --> 01:44:09,780
it is different than any other creature

2410
01:44:14,149 --> 01:44:12,420
it can't be eaten it can't

2411
01:44:17,090 --> 01:44:14,159
um you know it can't interact with you

2412
01:44:19,189 --> 01:44:17,100
in any way and it's almost like revering

2413
01:44:22,370 --> 01:44:19,199
this creature to the point where if it

2414
01:44:24,649 --> 01:44:22,380
is seen or heard so if you hear the

2415
01:44:28,070 --> 01:44:24,659
animals call or if you happen to see it

2416
01:44:30,590 --> 01:44:28,080
your entire tribe has to leave that area

2417
01:44:34,370 --> 01:44:30,600
of the forest and move you know miles

2418
01:44:37,430 --> 01:44:34,380
away and never go back there wow so if

2419
01:44:39,470 --> 01:44:37,440
you are an uncontacted tribe and Loosely

2420
01:44:41,750 --> 01:44:39,480
contacted tribes that have government

2421
01:44:44,030 --> 01:44:41,760
protection and have always had this

2422
01:44:47,270 --> 01:44:44,040
protection where no westerners are able

2423
01:44:49,550 --> 01:44:47,280
to go into these areas and you are

2424
01:44:52,129 --> 01:44:49,560
leaving these areas wherever you hear or

2425
01:44:54,050 --> 01:44:52,139
see one of these creatures and in the

2426
01:44:57,109 --> 01:44:54,060
rest of the world these animals were

2427
01:44:58,910 --> 01:44:57,119
hunted to Extinction you're now creating

2428
01:45:11,090 --> 01:44:58,920
a

2429
01:45:13,430 --> 01:45:11,100
um

2430
01:45:15,410 --> 01:45:13,440
I'm saving the best for last

2431
01:45:19,370 --> 01:45:15,420
is there an area on this planet where

2432
01:45:20,290 --> 01:45:19,380
dinosaurs have survived so wait wait

2433
01:45:23,390 --> 01:45:20,300
wait

2434
01:45:25,729 --> 01:45:23,400
no no no no that's not my question okay

2435
01:45:28,070 --> 01:45:25,739
is there an area on this planet where

2436
01:45:32,090 --> 01:45:28,080
dinosaurs have survived number one and

2437
01:45:34,850 --> 01:45:32,100
number two what about dragons

2438
01:45:37,030 --> 01:45:34,860
so the first one is every bird that we

2439
01:45:39,530 --> 01:45:37,040
see is a dinosaur

2440
01:45:41,090 --> 01:45:39,540
so yes dinosaurs have absolutely

2441
01:45:42,350 --> 01:45:41,100
survived

2442
01:45:44,090 --> 01:45:42,360
um we can see you know you look at an

2443
01:45:47,090 --> 01:45:44,100
ostrich's legs and tell me that that's

2444
01:45:48,590 --> 01:45:47,100
not a dinosaur so theropod dinosaurs

2445
01:45:52,910 --> 01:45:48,600
um did evolve into all of the bird

2446
01:45:55,790 --> 01:45:52,920
species that we see today so uh and the

2447
01:45:59,090 --> 01:45:55,800
um oh there's one in Brazil that still

2448
01:46:01,609 --> 01:45:59,100
has uh The Remnant claws on its wings I

2449
01:46:03,770 --> 01:46:01,619
mean so absolutely

2450
01:46:06,109 --> 01:46:03,780
um those are when we think about the

2451
01:46:07,970 --> 01:46:06,119
dinosaurs how you know an eight-year-old

2452
01:46:10,609 --> 01:46:07,980
would describe a dinosaur you know when

2453
01:46:12,050 --> 01:46:10,619
my daughter is obsessed with Dinosaurs

2454
01:46:13,729 --> 01:46:12,060
my son is really getting obsessed with

2455
01:46:16,129 --> 01:46:13,739
Dinosaurs something that they would

2456
01:46:18,590 --> 01:46:16,139
consider a dinosaur no there's nothing

2457
01:46:21,470 --> 01:46:18,600
that has survived to the to the present

2458
01:46:24,530 --> 01:46:21,480
day um I was in West Africa looking for

2459
01:46:28,129 --> 01:46:24,540
mokele and bembe and um looking down

2460
01:46:30,530 --> 01:46:28,139
there to see you know what this um where

2461
01:46:33,770 --> 01:46:30,540
this story could have come from and I do

2462
01:46:36,890 --> 01:46:33,780
believe that it's you know an important

2463
01:46:39,050 --> 01:46:36,900
um cultural story and I think it's a uh

2464
01:46:41,570 --> 01:46:39,060
it's important to the tribes in the area

2465
01:46:44,209 --> 01:46:41,580
because it is an out it is a culturally

2466
01:46:46,310 --> 01:46:44,219
accepted out from doing certain

2467
01:46:48,410 --> 01:46:46,320
dangerous activities

2468
01:46:51,410 --> 01:46:48,420
um and what I mean by that is if you're

2469
01:46:52,850 --> 01:46:51,420
a fisherman in one of these tribes and

2470
01:46:54,770 --> 01:46:52,860
you don't want to go down to the river

2471
01:46:57,470 --> 01:46:54,780
at night because there are crocodiles

2472
01:46:58,669 --> 01:46:57,480
there then you're looked at as weak but

2473
01:47:00,169 --> 01:46:58,679
if you don't want to go down to the

2474
01:47:02,209 --> 01:47:00,179
river at night because Mo Kelly and

2475
01:47:05,510 --> 01:47:02,219
bembe is there then you're looked at as

2476
01:47:07,790 --> 01:47:05,520
smart so you you have a culturally

2477
01:47:10,430 --> 01:47:07,800
accepted way to get out of doing a very

2478
01:47:12,830 --> 01:47:10,440
dangerous activity God said don't go

2479
01:47:15,709 --> 01:47:12,840
down there exactly exactly so that's

2480
01:47:17,870 --> 01:47:15,719
what I believe Mo Kelly and bembe is um

2481
01:47:19,609 --> 01:47:17,880
and that's really the the last

2482
01:47:21,169 --> 01:47:19,619
well there's a few other places where

2483
01:47:22,850 --> 01:47:21,179
people spot dinosaurs you know the

2484
01:47:26,149 --> 01:47:22,860
roping and things like that but nothing

2485
01:47:28,189 --> 01:47:26,159
that has any sort of

2486
01:47:30,830 --> 01:47:28,199
um any evidence that I found compelling

2487
01:47:32,810 --> 01:47:30,840
other than mokelium bembe so I would say

2488
01:47:34,490 --> 01:47:32,820
that that's no for dinosaurs and for

2489
01:47:35,990 --> 01:47:34,500
Dragons I think it's a much more

2490
01:47:37,850 --> 01:47:36,000
interesting

2491
01:47:40,129 --> 01:47:37,860
story

2492
01:47:42,470 --> 01:47:40,139
um because people say oh well they were

2493
01:47:44,149 --> 01:47:42,480
finding dinosaur bones and then equating

2494
01:47:46,090 --> 01:47:44,159
it to dragons but that doesn't really

2495
01:47:48,350 --> 01:47:46,100
hold water

2496
01:47:51,290 --> 01:47:48,360
dinosaur bones

2497
01:47:53,570 --> 01:47:51,300
is such a recent discovery right that

2498
01:47:55,669 --> 01:47:53,580
it's it's 80 years old it's 100 years

2499
01:47:58,490 --> 01:47:55,679
old 150 years old I mean that's it

2500
01:48:00,290 --> 01:47:58,500
that's it yeah dragons the dragons are

2501
01:48:02,629 --> 01:48:00,300
so much more interesting because again

2502
01:48:05,510 --> 01:48:02,639
it's one of those stories that is across

2503
01:48:07,729 --> 01:48:05,520
cultures across the entire world so a

2504
01:48:10,430 --> 01:48:07,739
thousand years we've had depictions of

2505
01:48:12,890 --> 01:48:10,440
dragons where did these come from where

2506
01:48:14,390 --> 01:48:12,900
what is this based on and um there isn't

2507
01:48:16,669 --> 01:48:14,400
a good answer for it it seems to be

2508
01:48:19,490 --> 01:48:16,679
another one of those archetypes you know

2509
01:48:20,649 --> 01:48:19,500
it's it's the wild man it's the dragon

2510
01:48:23,570 --> 01:48:20,659
um

2511
01:48:25,310 --> 01:48:23,580
and the sea serpent the Sea The Wild Man

2512
01:48:28,910 --> 01:48:25,320
the dragon and the sea serpent no doubt

2513
01:48:31,550 --> 01:48:28,920
but 5 000 years ago uh you know or

2514
01:48:32,990 --> 01:48:31,560
you've got mind and the Egyptians and

2515
01:48:36,950 --> 01:48:33,000
the Chinese

2516
01:48:40,990 --> 01:48:36,960
um all uh northern Europe right yeah all

2517
01:48:43,790 --> 01:48:41,000
depicting the same thing

2518
01:48:45,649 --> 01:48:43,800
is it it's like the woolly mammoth right

2519
01:48:47,510 --> 01:48:45,659
there's different flavors to it but but

2520
01:48:49,070 --> 01:48:47,520
I mean essentially essentially the same

2521
01:48:51,350 --> 01:48:49,080
creature but there are different there's

2522
01:48:53,030 --> 01:48:51,360
there's cultural flavors to it in each

2523
01:48:54,890 --> 01:48:53,040
one of the regions the same as there are

2524
01:48:57,890 --> 01:48:54,900
for the wild man

2525
01:48:58,629 --> 01:48:57,900
um but it does seem to be an archetype

2526
01:49:00,649 --> 01:48:58,639
um

2527
01:49:02,689 --> 01:49:00,659
are you saying that you don't think

2528
01:49:04,370 --> 01:49:02,699
dragons ever existed

2529
01:49:06,410 --> 01:49:04,380
uh

2530
01:49:10,070 --> 01:49:06,420
I

2531
01:49:12,530 --> 01:49:10,080
answer

2532
01:49:14,270 --> 01:49:12,540
because that's and I think that's the

2533
01:49:17,270 --> 01:49:14,280
that's one of the problems with

2534
01:49:21,890 --> 01:49:17,280
cryptozoology right um what I was saying

2535
01:49:24,590 --> 01:49:21,900
earlier about the yeti being a bear as a

2536
01:49:26,930 --> 01:49:24,600
biologist I would love that and I would

2537
01:49:29,209 --> 01:49:26,940
be fascinated by that if we found a new

2538
01:49:30,950 --> 01:49:29,219
species of bear in Nepal and in in

2539
01:49:33,169 --> 01:49:30,960
Northern India

2540
01:49:35,570 --> 01:49:33,179
um and in the the Himalayas I would

2541
01:49:37,669 --> 01:49:35,580
absolutely want to know everything about

2542
01:49:39,350 --> 01:49:37,679
this and I would want to study it most

2543
01:49:40,669 --> 01:49:39,360
people in the public would go yeah but

2544
01:49:43,129 --> 01:49:40,679
it's not the yeti

2545
01:49:45,229 --> 01:49:43,139
you're like yeah but it is oh but it's

2546
01:49:47,330 --> 01:49:45,239
not because it's not exactly what we

2547
01:49:50,030 --> 01:49:47,340
want the yeti to be and I think dragons

2548
01:49:52,669 --> 01:49:50,040
are the same is there was there a

2549
01:49:56,030 --> 01:49:52,679
creature at some point in history that

2550
01:49:58,970 --> 01:49:56,040
could explain sightings of the dragons

2551
01:50:02,209 --> 01:49:58,980
probably but was it a flying reptile

2552
01:50:05,149 --> 01:50:02,219
that breathed fire probably not no and

2553
01:50:07,149 --> 01:50:05,159
then it was it was it was I'm okay with

2554
01:50:09,709 --> 01:50:07,159
that but

2555
01:50:12,470 --> 01:50:09,719
biologically it would be

2556
01:50:14,270 --> 01:50:12,480
I I have never heard and I've seen I've

2557
01:50:16,070 --> 01:50:14,280
seen a lot on it and I've read a lot

2558
01:50:19,189 --> 01:50:16,080
about it I've never seen

2559
01:50:22,790 --> 01:50:19,199
a biologically sound argument to allow

2560
01:50:25,669 --> 01:50:22,800
for those adaptations to existence okay

2561
01:50:28,310 --> 01:50:25,679
I'm going to bring up something crazy

2562
01:50:31,370 --> 01:50:28,320
have you ever heard of a pterodactyl I'm

2563
01:50:34,270 --> 01:50:31,380
just saying I'm just saying yeah

2564
01:50:38,870 --> 01:50:34,280
and and and when you think about

2565
01:50:42,470 --> 01:50:38,880
something that terrifying right is it

2566
01:50:45,709 --> 01:50:42,480
possible Right the the Lost Plateau or

2567
01:50:49,550 --> 01:50:45,719
whatever is it possible for something

2568
01:50:52,490 --> 01:50:49,560
like that to have survived on its own

2569
01:50:55,250 --> 01:50:52,500
um in in mountain ranges up until recent

2570
01:50:57,950 --> 01:50:55,260
history were cultures and it's just died

2571
01:51:00,050 --> 01:50:57,960
off because of the the the the the the

2572
01:51:02,810 --> 01:51:00,060
food pyramid and there was nothing left

2573
01:51:05,090 --> 01:51:02,820
for it to eat and and couldn't have sex

2574
01:51:07,250 --> 01:51:05,100
and procreate whatever it is and just

2575
01:51:10,430 --> 01:51:07,260
died off but that cultures were seeing

2576
01:51:13,129 --> 01:51:10,440
it around the world and I'd say yeah you

2577
01:51:16,609 --> 01:51:13,139
know what yeah yeah I'm I'm okay with it

2578
01:51:18,410 --> 01:51:16,619
and I'm I just I'm yeah it's just one of

2579
01:51:20,689 --> 01:51:18,420
those like and again it's that

2580
01:51:23,270 --> 01:51:20,699
impossible question that was there an

2581
01:51:26,810 --> 01:51:23,280
animal that explained the sightings of

2582
01:51:29,330 --> 01:51:26,820
dragons possibly but was it what we want

2583
01:51:32,149 --> 01:51:29,340
to think of as a dragon it's like a long

2584
01:51:35,209 --> 01:51:32,159
snake-like creature with you know short

2585
01:51:38,570 --> 01:51:35,219
legs and breathing fire and with a fin

2586
01:51:41,149 --> 01:51:38,580
down its back and and biologically I

2587
01:51:42,970 --> 01:51:41,159
don't think so guarding a cave full of

2588
01:51:47,030 --> 01:51:42,980
gold right

2589
01:51:48,890 --> 01:51:47,040
absolutely I want there to be but yeah

2590
01:51:53,689 --> 01:51:48,900
biologically it's harder to make that

2591
01:51:57,649 --> 01:51:53,699
case I I I there's when I look at the

2592
01:52:00,950 --> 01:51:57,659
idea behind dragons and you look at the

2593
01:52:05,570 --> 01:52:00,960
family crest or the the the the

2594
01:52:09,530 --> 01:52:05,580
historical record of this around the

2595
01:52:12,410 --> 01:52:09,540
world right of going back Millennia they

2596
01:52:13,910 --> 01:52:12,420
were seeing something this isn't this

2597
01:52:17,689 --> 01:52:13,920
isn't imagine they didn't have an

2598
01:52:21,530 --> 01:52:17,699
opportunity just to read a a a Tolkien

2599
01:52:23,750 --> 01:52:21,540
book right right right you see yeah no I

2600
01:52:26,090 --> 01:52:23,760
I I do and that's I think that's the

2601
01:52:27,830 --> 01:52:26,100
fundamental issue with cryptozoology is

2602
01:52:31,010 --> 01:52:27,840
that unless

2603
01:52:34,189 --> 01:52:31,020
we find the exact creature that people

2604
01:52:36,370 --> 01:52:34,199
want it to be then it isn't that in

2605
01:52:40,010 --> 01:52:36,380
their mind so if we were to find

2606
01:52:44,149 --> 01:52:40,020
evidence of a creature that lived 10 000

2607
01:52:47,570 --> 01:52:44,159
years ago and met one quarter of the

2608
01:52:50,270 --> 01:52:47,580
characteristics of a um of a dragon like

2609
01:52:53,390 --> 01:52:50,280
so Megalania for instance in Australia

2610
01:52:55,790 --> 01:52:53,400
if we found a giant lizard that was as

2611
01:52:58,370 --> 01:52:55,800
big as Megalania and lived all over the

2612
01:53:01,490 --> 01:52:58,380
world would that would would people go

2613
01:53:03,830 --> 01:53:01,500
ah dragons they wouldn't they would go

2614
01:53:07,070 --> 01:53:03,840
ah a big lizard cool let's keep looking

2615
01:53:08,149 --> 01:53:07,080
for Dragon right right right hey there's

2616
01:53:13,490 --> 01:53:08,159
a new

2617
01:53:15,649 --> 01:53:13,500
coming out I've heard yeah I'm pretty

2618
01:53:18,109 --> 01:53:15,659
excited about this actually

2619
01:53:20,510 --> 01:53:18,119
and uh and I'm sure that you are and

2620
01:53:23,090 --> 01:53:20,520
when I hear the comparisons

2621
01:53:25,149 --> 01:53:23,100
um I I get bios in as you can imagine

2622
01:53:28,790 --> 01:53:25,159
right and

2623
01:53:32,149 --> 01:53:28,800
they are he is she is considered the

2624
01:53:34,850 --> 01:53:32,159
Indiana Jones of right and I I I see

2625
01:53:37,970 --> 01:53:34,860
this all the time and I never

2626
01:53:40,550 --> 01:53:37,980
read that part of a bio when it comes in

2627
01:53:42,890 --> 01:53:40,560
I will not I just won't go there yeah

2628
01:53:46,910 --> 01:53:42,900
you

2629
01:53:50,030 --> 01:53:46,920
slept with laid down with

2630
01:53:52,850 --> 01:53:50,040
two hundred thousand snakes I did I did

2631
01:53:55,609 --> 01:53:52,860
for for my 31st birthday you know that

2632
01:53:56,689 --> 01:53:55,619
is the craziest thing I didn't want to I

2633
01:53:58,070 --> 01:53:56,699
didn't want to bring that up at the

2634
01:54:00,770 --> 01:53:58,080
beginning of the show I wanted to save

2635
01:54:03,709 --> 01:54:00,780
it until now so when somebody says you

2636
01:54:05,270 --> 01:54:03,719
know well I'm the Indiana Jones of no

2637
01:54:07,910 --> 01:54:05,280
dude

2638
01:54:10,790 --> 01:54:07,920
it just sounds like the dumbest idea

2639
01:54:12,950 --> 01:54:10,800
like ever yeah so I I had gone through a

2640
01:54:14,930 --> 01:54:12,960
year of hell I was um I was diagnosed

2641
01:54:16,310 --> 01:54:14,940
with stage three colon cancer I spent a

2642
01:54:19,609 --> 01:54:16,320
few months in the hospital

2643
01:54:21,709 --> 01:54:19,619
um I had a 50 chance at surviving and uh

2644
01:54:24,229 --> 01:54:21,719
I pulled through but I I mean it was it

2645
01:54:26,470 --> 01:54:24,239
was brutal it was just an absolutely

2646
01:54:29,330 --> 01:54:26,480
terrible experience as one can imagine

2647
01:54:31,669 --> 01:54:29,340
and then um I started feeling a little

2648
01:54:34,189 --> 01:54:31,679
bit more like myself and myself is is

2649
01:54:38,090 --> 01:54:34,199
weird I'm a weird I'm a strange person

2650
01:54:40,970 --> 01:54:38,100
and I wanted to do so so so Pat you've

2651
01:54:44,330 --> 01:54:40,980
just kicked Cancer's ass that you want

2652
01:54:47,810 --> 01:54:44,340
to do now well you know yeah that is

2653
01:54:50,209 --> 01:54:47,820
literally what happened wow that is so

2654
01:54:52,189 --> 01:54:50,219
um you know my my wife who was my

2655
01:54:54,109 --> 01:54:52,199
girlfriend at the time was like well you

2656
01:54:56,930 --> 01:54:54,119
know what do you want to do what what's

2657
01:54:58,910 --> 01:54:56,940
gonna like help you to feel like

2658
01:55:01,490 --> 01:54:58,920
yourself again to feel like and I said I

2659
01:55:03,770 --> 01:55:01,500
want to show myself that I can still do

2660
01:55:04,970 --> 01:55:03,780
this stuff that I can still film and I

2661
01:55:06,169 --> 01:55:04,980
can still get out there and I said

2662
01:55:08,270 --> 01:55:06,179
there's something that I've always

2663
01:55:10,729 --> 01:55:08,280
wanted to see I've read about these

2664
01:55:13,250 --> 01:55:10,739
snake pits the um the narcy snake dens

2665
01:55:14,930 --> 01:55:13,260
up in Manitoba Canada and it's the

2666
01:55:16,910 --> 01:55:14,940
largest concentration of snakes on earth

2667
01:55:18,350 --> 01:55:16,920
and I've always wanted to go see them so

2668
01:55:19,550 --> 01:55:18,360
I'm going to contact the Canadian

2669
01:55:21,410 --> 01:55:19,560
government and see if I can get

2670
01:55:23,870 --> 01:55:21,420
permission to go and lay down in this

2671
01:55:25,250 --> 01:55:23,880
pit and she goes cool all right who's

2672
01:55:27,649 --> 01:55:25,260
gonna go with you and I said I know

2673
01:55:29,689 --> 01:55:27,659
exactly who and I called up my buddy Dom

2674
01:55:31,609 --> 01:55:29,699
who is a cameraman and he was with a

2675
01:55:33,649 --> 01:55:31,619
cameraman on a bunch of my stuff and one

2676
01:55:35,270 --> 01:55:33,659
of our good friends Jared I said hey Dom

2677
01:55:38,149 --> 01:55:35,280
I'm thinking about

2678
01:55:41,270 --> 01:55:38,159
Manitoba he go are you going to do the

2679
01:55:43,750 --> 01:55:41,280
snake dens I was like yeah she's like

2680
01:55:47,810 --> 01:55:43,760
I'm in let's do it

2681
01:55:50,689 --> 01:55:47,820
how long how long were you done so we we

2682
01:55:52,729 --> 01:55:50,699
drove we drove 34 hours straight up to

2683
01:55:54,290 --> 01:55:52,739
Manitoba Canada

2684
01:55:57,290 --> 01:55:54,300
um got you know

2685
01:55:59,030 --> 01:55:57,300
waited until waited uh you know about 12

2686
01:56:01,310 --> 01:55:59,040
hours until the sun came up and that's

2687
01:56:03,709 --> 01:56:01,320
when that's when the the pits really

2688
01:56:05,270 --> 01:56:03,719
really fill up so this is uh the largest

2689
01:56:08,270 --> 01:56:05,280
concentration of snakes on earth they're

2690
01:56:10,430 --> 01:56:08,280
underground and Limestone caves and as

2691
01:56:12,350 --> 01:56:10,440
the sun warms them up for just a few

2692
01:56:13,850 --> 01:56:12,360
days every year you know maybe a week

2693
01:56:16,310 --> 01:56:13,860
every year

2694
01:56:18,169 --> 01:56:16,320
um they all emerge at once out of these

2695
01:56:21,709 --> 01:56:18,179
Den so I went in there when there was

2696
01:56:23,689 --> 01:56:21,719
maybe 50 to 100 snakes and I laid down

2697
01:56:26,750 --> 01:56:23,699
on the Rocks as the sun was coming up

2698
01:56:28,370 --> 01:56:26,760
and then there was 500 and then there

2699
01:56:30,169 --> 01:56:28,380
was a thousand and then there was two

2700
01:56:32,750 --> 01:56:30,179
thousand and then there was ten thousand

2701
01:56:34,850 --> 01:56:32,760
and I mean you could reach in up to your

2702
01:56:38,270 --> 01:56:34,860
shoulder and just let the snakes just

2703
01:56:40,430 --> 01:56:38,280
slide down your arm you could you they

2704
01:56:42,649 --> 01:56:40,440
were crawling up my sleeves and my pants

2705
01:56:45,169 --> 01:56:42,659
down my shirt just everywhere you can

2706
01:56:47,810 --> 01:56:45,179
imagine and just thousands I mean the

2707
01:56:51,350 --> 01:56:47,820
200 000 number is a little bit like two

2708
01:56:53,450 --> 01:56:51,360
because I've read everything from 75 000

2709
01:56:55,550 --> 01:56:53,460
up to four hundred thousand so I just

2710
01:56:57,890 --> 01:56:55,560
picked a number in the middle

2711
01:56:59,270 --> 01:56:57,900
but um it was a lot of snakes it was

2712
01:57:01,250 --> 01:56:59,280
more snakes than I've ever seen in my

2713
01:57:03,950 --> 01:57:01,260
life and I like snakes a lot would you

2714
01:57:05,510 --> 01:57:03,960
would would you do it again oh in a

2715
01:57:08,330 --> 01:57:05,520
heartbeat absolutely it was it was

2716
01:57:12,169 --> 01:57:08,340
amazing I mean it was just so surreal it

2717
01:57:14,270 --> 01:57:12,179
was lovecraftian in its strangeness and

2718
01:57:16,750 --> 01:57:14,280
um I the three of us actually from

2719
01:57:18,589 --> 01:57:16,760
filming you get so

2720
01:57:20,570 --> 01:57:18,599
desensitized to this that these guys

2721
01:57:22,550 --> 01:57:20,580
were doing the same thing we're like you

2722
01:57:24,050 --> 01:57:22,560
know like Scrooge McDuck with coins but

2723
01:57:28,669 --> 01:57:24,060
we're doing it with snakes as they're

2724
01:57:35,330 --> 01:57:28,679
coming down we smelled so bad that I had

2725
01:57:40,129 --> 01:57:38,930
and the dealer the dealer I mean I just

2726
01:57:42,470 --> 01:57:40,139
sold my car

2727
01:57:45,050 --> 01:57:42,480
yeah did you disclose on the dealership

2728
01:57:46,990 --> 01:57:45,060
so you Taylor gets in the car and he's

2729
01:57:49,790 --> 01:57:47,000
like it's in pretty good shape he goes

2730
01:57:51,830 --> 01:57:49,800
weird smell like I know what you're

2731
01:57:54,109 --> 01:57:51,840
talking about he's like you don't smell

2732
01:57:56,629 --> 01:57:54,119
that he's like very unusual I was like

2733
01:57:57,649 --> 01:57:56,639
no sorry man I'm not a smoker man I

2734
01:58:01,310 --> 01:57:57,659
don't know what you're talking about

2735
01:58:04,609 --> 01:58:01,320
that's just just normal that awesome

2736
01:58:06,470 --> 01:58:04,619
show thank you so much man a great

2737
01:58:09,290 --> 01:58:06,480
conversation I'll look forward to the

2738
01:58:10,970 --> 01:58:09,300
next time uh you joining us here on on

2739
01:58:13,010 --> 01:58:10,980
Fade to Black thing what's the best way

2740
01:58:16,310 --> 01:58:13,020
for everybody to reach out to you uh

2741
01:58:18,770 --> 01:58:16,320
patsbane.com and uh my six books are all

2742
01:58:21,530 --> 01:58:18,780
available on Amazon and any of your

2743
01:58:23,510 --> 01:58:21,540
local bookstores Pat Spain the absolute

2744
01:58:26,570 --> 01:58:23,520
very best my friend go play some bass

2745
01:58:27,910 --> 01:58:26,580
get the band back together thank you so

2746
01:58:30,910 --> 01:58:27,920
much

2747
01:58:34,010 --> 01:58:30,920
great show great show Pat Spain

2748
01:58:37,609 --> 01:58:34,020
everybodypattspain.com all of his books

2749
01:58:42,350 --> 01:58:37,619
are right there and now I want to let uh

2750
01:58:45,770 --> 01:58:42,360
everybody know uh Thursday night uh we

2751
01:58:47,810 --> 01:58:45,780
have a very special show John Greenwald

2752
01:58:50,030 --> 01:58:47,820
will be joining us so we have

2753
01:58:52,189 --> 01:58:50,040
rescheduled our Our Guest that we had

2754
01:58:54,050 --> 01:58:52,199
booked for uh Thursday night Thursday

2755
01:58:55,870 --> 01:58:54,060
night John Greenwald is going to be here

2756
01:58:58,149 --> 01:58:55,880
we're going to be talking all night

2757
01:59:01,129 --> 01:58:58,159
about The

2758
01:59:02,990 --> 01:59:01,139
Whistleblower crush and what is going on

2759
01:59:06,229 --> 01:59:03,000
with that and all of the latest

2760
01:59:08,930 --> 01:59:06,239
developments so stay tuned for all of

2761
01:59:11,990 --> 01:59:08,940
that tomorrow night I have uh Damien

2762
01:59:13,550 --> 01:59:12,000
John Matt with us he's a filmmaker out

2763
01:59:15,890 --> 01:59:13,560
of Australia and we are going to be

2764
01:59:18,290 --> 01:59:15,900
talking about UFOs uh tomorrow night and

2765
01:59:20,870 --> 01:59:18,300
of course everything else that is going

2766
01:59:23,149 --> 01:59:20,880
on so stay tuned for that that is

2767
01:59:25,370 --> 01:59:23,159
tomorrow night and then Thursday night

2768
01:59:27,410 --> 01:59:25,380
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01:59:40,729 --> 01:59:38,400
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01:59:45,470 --> 01:59:43,500
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01:59:54,649 --> 01:59:52,380
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2782
01:59:57,290 --> 01:59:54,659
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2784
02:00:02,640 --> 01:59:59,760
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